Minimum Wage Hike

As I stated earlier it does NOT have to increase all the way up the pay scale.

Oddly you chose to delete that portion of my response so you wouldn't have to deal with the fact I was right.

I chopped off your anecdotal comment because it is not relevant to the economy as a whole. In a market like right now where the labor market is loose, employers do have the power to fuck over the skilled workers as you suggest they can. The question is... why are you promoting that?

Well if the minimum wage was tied to inflation then the increases would be minimal and the reaction would be minimal as well. making the jump from $7.25 and hour to $20 might create problems, fortunately no one is trying to do anything that extreme.

Yeah, they are only trying to push through a 24% increase. Just 24% more for labor costs for those service companies... but who cares about that right? That money will just magically appear.
 
How is discussing the economic effects of raising the minimum wage a knee jerk response? You believe the politics of it is more important than the economic aspects. Fair enough, that's your opinon. But anyone who thinks the opposite is not having a rational response? Not buying that.

The economic aspects, cawacko has his dog whistle out today.
 
Because minimum wage jobs are designed for teens, young adults (predominantly college age) and part time workers. They are not designed for someone to live off of on its own.



well then wouldn't they have that same motivation regardless of whether or not you raise the minimum wage? You realize the higher the minimum goes, the more of a disincentive it becomes?



precisely... which is why if you raise the minimum wage for the unskilled, the skilled will want more as well to compensate for their skill set.



yet you JUST stated they should be paid more than the minimum wage. You couldn't even go two sentences without contradicting yourself.



roflmao... wow... now you have just gone completely absurd.


There is an ENORMOUS difference between a business owner voluntarily giving minimum wage employees a raise and being told by the Government that the minimum wage is going up.

The boss tells his higher paid employees that the Government mandates that the minimum wage increase and he's obligated to do as told.

Odd that you edited out the potion of my response that dealt firsthand with a prior minimum wage increase and how my boss handled it...why is that?
 
Yes....well like I said....I haven't seen all sorts of women, youths, Hispanics and Blacks charging over here to help you defend your point of view. The only one who has is Wacko.....and he's another pasty assed chamber of commerce type white guy with a $12 haircut! :p

Lmao, sorry, Cawacko, laughing with you!
 
The economic aspects, cawacko has his dog whistle out today.

If economic issues are not a consideration and it is purely political then why not propose raising the minimum wage to $10, $15 or $20? Those latter numbers are a hell of a lot closer to a 'living wage' than $9.
 
Hmmmm....I do see your point Wacko......but that does bring up an interesting question. What the fuck happened to you? Took after your Mom? ;)

Mom has an MBA from SMU.

I'm either adopted or they did a lot of freaking drugs in the late '60's and early '70's and I suffer from crack baby syndrome.
 
If economic issues are not a consideration and it is purely political then why not propose raising the minimum wage to $10, $15 or $20? Those latter numbers are a hell of a lot closer to a 'living wage' than $9.

When Ford did it stimulated the eonomy. He doubed wages, no ill effects. This is the complaint made by corporations and their supporters every time there is talk of raising the minimum wage, but I have never seen the ill effects come to pass that they lament about. If you have proof to the contrary, I would really like to review it.
 
If economic issues are not a consideration and it is purely political then why not propose raising the minimum wage to $10, $15 or $20? Those latter numbers are a hell of a lot closer to a 'living wage' than $9.
Because then he can still argue that it's not an absurd step and fewer businesses will be able to say that changing the minimum wage will flat out put them out of business.

Still argue that fiddling around with the economy in such bold strokes will probably send things into a tailspin and where we end up few if anyone can predict.
 
or you grew up in Ohio and went to USC

Everytime I forget how great I am you are there to remind me and for that I am thankful.

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When Ford did it stimulated the eonomy. He doubed wages, no ill effects. This is the complaint made by corporations and their supporters every time there is talk of raising the minimum wage, but I have never seen the ill effects come to pass that they lament about. If you have proof to the contrary, I would really like to review it.
A business in my town, ran close to even with very little profit from the manager, this was a while back when the wage was still 7.15, he had three minimum wage employees, all highschool students. When the wage changed he dropped below the point that he could/would support and sold the business. That area is still vacant. This was from a very small change. How many changes will result from a large one?
 
When Ford did it stimulated the eonomy. He doubed wages, no ill effects. This is the complaint made by corporations and their supporters every time there is talk of raising the minimum wage, but I have never seen the ill effects come to pass that they lament about. If you have proof to the contrary, I would really like to review it.

So then you would be on board with raising the minimum wage to $15 or $20?
 
A business in my town, ran close to even with very little profit from the manager, this was a while back when the wage was still 7.15, he had three minimum wage employees, all highschool students. When the wage changed he dropped below the point that he could/would support and sold the business. That area is still vacant. This was from a very small change. How many changes will result from a large one?

Show me
 
I think raising it to the amount proposed is the first step and that it should be reviewed every year to see if adjustments need to be made.

Why $9? That's not going to get people out of poverty. And you said it was a dog whistle to bring up economics so if economics aren't an issue why not go with something closer to a living wage amount of $15 or $20?
 
Why $9? That's not going to get people out of poverty. And you said it was a dog whistle to bring up economics so if economics aren't an issue why not go with something closer to a living wage amount of $15 or $20?

Because I don't think $15 will pass Congress, it is more about being realistic. I think $15 would be optimum, but it won't fly.
 
Does that mean my employer will be forced to adjust my pay? After all if you raise minimum wage to that, prices will go up and if I do not receive the same amount of hike they do I am screwed, it will be like starting at the bottom rung again. Low skilled workers will get a huge raise, and higher skilled workers like myself will be screwed.
 
I fully admit that DH knows way more than I do about the p
policy details. Of pretty much any policy. The funny thing is he so obviously knows way more then SF too. Well I think I know more than SF does so that DH does goes without saying. But anyway SF Will never admit it. Maybe he doesn't even recognize it. Sf is definitely one of those guys who wouldn't.

Anyway, I can't say I'm ever sorry to see DH here.


I appreciate the kind words, but I'm not that smart and don't know that much. I'm just good at google.
 
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