Michigan Residents Could Face 5-Years Prison, $10,000 Fine for Using Wrong Pronouns

domer76 said:
LOL

How does one as ignorant as you make it through the day, much less life?
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No doubt one of the hate sites that does your thinking for you wrote out instructions on how to interact with your intellectual superiors.

Spoiler Alert: It's not working.
 
Jarod said:
This is a big FAT LIE, nobody is going to a day of jail for using a pronouns and you know it.
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What does this mean, then? "Democrats in the state's House of Representatives passed the bill, HB 4474, which would add "sexual orientation" and "gender identity or expression" as protected classes and criminalize causing a person to "feel terrorized, frightened, or threatened."

The bill advanced to the State Senate, where Democrats are expected to send it to Democratic governor Gretchen Whitmer, who would likely sign the legislation. If a victim says he or she is intimidated by another person and is a member of one of the protected classes, the accused person could spend five years in prison or pay a $10,000 fine.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
obviously it is if the "victim" made it up.....that's the problem with the amended statute......it only requires that the "victim" FEELS harassed......
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Just as murdering someone in self defense only requires the person 'feel' they were at genuine threat as has been pointed out to you.
 
TOP said:
What does this mean, then? "Democrats in the state's House of Representatives passed the bill, HB 4474, which would add "sexual orientation" and "gender identity or expression" as protected classes and criminalize causing a person to "feel terrorized, frightened, or threatened."

The bill advanced to the State Senate, where Democrats are expected to send it to Democratic governor Gretchen Whitmer, who would likely sign the legislation. If a victim says he or she is intimidated by another person and is a member of one of the protected classes, the accused person could spend five years in prison or pay a $10,000 fine.
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Does screaming about it in all red CAPS make it more true, or do you did that just to scare yourself?

How perfectly awful that not only can you now not threaten people, call them n*ggers (like you and your friend Minty enjoy doing) or f*ggots in a harassing or threatening way. Now you and your violent buddies can't threaten to harm ppl based on their personal characteristics, without consequences. What a bitch.

This whining of yours comes from someone who has repeatedly sobbed about being threatened on this forum, and reported ppl in order to get them banned. You just want to be the only victim. Never mind about all those icky brown and gay and trans folk who get threatened -- or worse -- in real life, right?
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Isn't that the whole basis of all those stupid "stand your ground" laws?
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Yes but a magatard does not live in reality and will not acknowledge that.

If you are acting in any situation thinking the other person is about to act, whether you are a cop in a righteous shoot or not, you are acting on your FEELING that the other person is about to act, and that act will be a threat and danger you must end.

That 'FEELING' must be tested on what is called a 'Reasonable Person' test for it to be valid. Meaning, would a jury, who puts themselves in the same position theoretically, find a reasonable person, facing the same circumstances find the same level of threat and thus the justified action taken or law broken.

I learned in this thread that the Mc'Law school PostmodernIdiot went to got closed. FLOL. Probably part of Trump University. Nothing makes more sense than that as his understanding of law, despite claiming to be a slum lord lawyer, is amongst the worst on this thread. The number of times i have correct him on matters of law, cited it, and he has read the citation and then tried to change his views, is hillarious.

He now seems to be arguing there is a distinction between 'feeling' at threat and shooting someone, and 'feeling' at threat and someone being charged with a hate crime. As if what is proved in court does not follow the exact same premise.

Give him a while on this point and with enough explanation, he will backpedal on this too.
 
TOP said:
So Daniel Perry is innocent....
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If a jury applying the 'reasonable person' test so, then yes he is.

As with the hate crimes, they must all pass that test.

And if ANY jury looks at the situation and genuinely sees a threat in any of these then can we agree prosecution was warranted?
 
TOP said:
What does this mean, then? "Democrats in the state's House of Representatives passed the bill, HB 4474, which would add "sexual orientation" and "gender identity or expression" as protected classes and criminalize causing a person to "feel terrorized, frightened, or threatened."

The bill advanced to the State Senate, where Democrats are expected to send it to Democratic governor Gretchen Whitmer, who would likely sign the legislation. If a victim says he or she is intimidated by another person and is a member of one of the protected classes, the accused person could spend five years in prison or pay a $10,000 fine.
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Nobody would say that misgendering is terrorizing, frightening or threatened. You are a stupid shit.
 
TOP said:
What does this mean, then? "Democrats in the state's House of Representatives passed the bill, HB 4474, which would add "sexual orientation" and "gender identity or expression" as protected classes and criminalize causing a person to "feel terrorized, frightened, or threatened."

The bill advanced to the State Senate, where Democrats are expected to send it to Democratic governor Gretchen Whitmer, who would likely sign the legislation. If a victim says he or she is intimidated by another person and is a member of one of the protected classes, the accused person could spend five years in prison or pay a $10,000 fine.
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The fake lawyer knows this, he's just lying.

It's what the fascist left does. in another week he'll claim "it's old news, move on." It's a pattern for the fascists.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
The fake lawyer knows this, he's just lying.

It's what the fascist left does. in another week he'll claim "it's old news, move on." It's a pattern for the fascists.
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Misgendering is not causing a person to feel terrorized frightened or threatened. You are such a stupid liar.
 
Jarod said:
Nobody would say that misgendering is terrorizing, frightening or threatened. You are a stupid shit.
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When they find out about this bill, they just might....
People are complaining about it now...which is why they post and proclaim "identifying pronouns" these days...
 
QP! said:
If a jury applying the 'reasonable person' test so, then yes he is.

As with the hate crimes, they must all pass that test.

And if ANY jury looks at the situation and genuinely sees a threat in any of these then can we agree prosecution was warranted?
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Apparently even in Texas they believe that driving your vehicle into a crowd and shooting out of your car window is bad.

Daniel Perry is sentenced to 25 years for killing an Austin protester

Perry, 36, shot and killed U.S. Air Force veteran Garrett Foster from his car in downtown Austin in July 2020, two months after a Minneapolis police officer killed George Floyd. Foster, a 28-year-old white man legally carrying an AK-47, was protesting against police violence and racial injustice when Perry drove into the crowd. Perry repeatedly fired his handgun at Foster after Foster approached the car with his rifle. Perry, who is also white, has said Foster raised his rifle toward him; witnesses said he didn’t.

Perry’s murder trial was a difficult and distinctively Texas case that forced jurors to weigh self-defense claims and gun rights. In April, jurors deliberated for about 17 hours after listening to weeks of evidence before convicting Perry of murder.
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TOP said:
When they find out about this bill, they just might....
People are complaining about it now...which is why they post and proclaim "identifying pronouns" these days...
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And the person who shot the person who simply rang their door bell, MIGHT claim self defense and castle doctrine.

Does not mean a jury who applies the 'reasonable person' test would agree with them and not convict them.


Are you for removing from law anything the MIGHT allow charges based on feelings? Meaning much of castle doctrine and much of self defense would not be defensible in court if anyone acts prior to 'actions' actually be taken and instead based on the person PERCEIVING a threat and acting proactively?
 
QP! said:
And the person who shot the person who simply rang their door bell, MIGHT claim self defense and castle doctrine.

Does not mean a jury who applies the 'reasonable person' test would agree with them and not convict them.


Are you for removing from law anything the MIGHT allow charges based on feelings? Meaning much of castle doctrine and much of self defense would not be defensible in court if anyone acts prior to 'actions' actually be taken and instead based on the person PERCEIVING a threat and acting proactively?
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This new "law" in Michigan has nothing to do with the one you're discussing... if you enable Will Thomas to claim that he feels threatened or terrorized by a person or group of persons who refuse to recognize him as a female, call him she or her, and let him swim in a female race who knows what he'll claim to feel...;) This has to be one of the most ridiculous pieces of legislation I've ever seen... who in the world wrote this let alone vote for it...
 
TOP said:
So Daniel Penny is innocent..
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You really are slow.


What is being pointed out to you is that what you 'FEEL' is not a defense if a jury does not find it reasonable threat via the 'reasonable person' test.

So to answer your question, what does the jury say?
 
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