Mental Illness is not to blame for gun violence

[NiftyNiblick]

Shut down the polling places. They're inefficient and the volunteers are underappreciated.
Let's go to universal registration with all mail-in voting and get it over with.

Only the racist, voter-suppressionist minority disagrees, and we're not looking to give them the decision.

 

[Truth Detector]

So what? 200,000 of anything is a gigantic number.

200,000/400,000,000 = .05%. It's 5 one hundredths of a percent dumbass. It's statistically insignificant to anyone with even half a brain.

Don't you want to prevent mentally ill people from getting guns?

Using this moronic, Marxist logic, we should give mental cases like you tests before they can drive a car or vote too.

You're blaming gun violence on mental illness,

You're the mental case trying to make that argument.

Although most crime is not committed with guns, most gun crime is committed with handguns. pages 1 & 2

By definition, stolen guns are available to criminals. The FBI's National Crime Information Center (NCIC) stolen gun file contains over 2 million reports; 60% are reports of stolen
handguns. page 3

Stolen guns are a source of weapons for criminals

All stolen guns are available to criminals by definition. Recent studies of adult and juvenile offenders show that many have either stolen a firearm or kept, sold, or traded a stolen firearm:

According to the 1991 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those inmates who possessed a handgun, 9% had acquired it through theft, and 28% had acquired it through an illegal market such as a drug dealer or fence.

Of all inmates, 10% had stolen at least one gun, and 11% had sold or traded stolen guns.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF

A 2019 survey conducted by the Department of Justice (DOJ) found that some 43 percent of criminals had bought their firearms on the black market, 6 percent acquired them via theft- and 10 percent made a retail purchase – 0.8 percent purchased a weapon from a gun show.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/where-do-criminals-get-guns

 

[LV426]

Law abiding gun owners didn't kill anyone you bloviating mental case.

Everyone is a law abiding gun owner until the moment they aren't...and that's not an acceptable standard.

 

[LV426]

CRIMINALS did.

Then why do you want to supply criminals with guns?

 

[LV426]

Link us to this lie filled busllshit Comrade dumb fuck.

If I do this, cause I've posted that link before, what do I get from you in return?

Cuz I'm not doing that work for nothing.

 

[LV426]

So the poll workers know it's you going to the polling place?

They won't know that by my address and name that I give them?

 

[LV426]

Shut down the polling places. They're inefficient and the volunteers are underappreciated. Let's go to universal registration with all mail-in voting and get it over with.

That is the best voting reform plan that I've ever heard.

 

[LV426]

200,000/400,000,000 = .05%. It's 5 one hundredths of a percent dumbass.]

Right, but that translates to 35,000+ annual deaths, or 30 9/11's, or 8,750 Benghazis.

 

[LV426]

Using this moronic, Marxist logic, we should give mental cases like you tests before they can drive a car or vote too.

Well, to drive a car I have to pass multiple tests, I have to get a license, I have to register the car, I have to get insurance for me and any other driver of the car, I have to renew my license, and I need to get the car inspected every year.

So...you want to do all that for guns too? If so, I'm down.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Then why do you want to supply criminals with guns?

Why do you keep asking this question, LV?

The American Constitution makes gun ownership a right to all citizens in good standing--which I'm sure that you already know.
None of us wrote the constitution, and therefore, none of us are giving guns to anybody.

You can amend the Constitution, which would be really hard right now,
or you can overthrow the government of the United states, which these days may actually be a little bit easier.

I'm not closed minded about this, mind you.
If you know an ACTUAL alternate solution, please share.

Is there an end run around the Second Amendment,
and if so,
can we end run all the other amendments as well?

I don't write this as an adversary or an enemy.
I'm not promoting gun control, but I'm not impeding it either.
I just don't see any plausible solutions.

 

[LV426]

A 2019 survey conducted by the Department of Justice (DOJ) found that some 43 percent of criminals had bought their firearms on the black market, 6 percent acquired them via theft- and 10 percent made a retail purchase – 0.8 percent purchased a weapon from a gun show.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/where-do-criminals-get-guns

How does a gun get to the black market? By being stolen.

Guns don't "fall of a truck" and into the hands of common criminals. Sure, there are weapons traffickers, but the common criminal isn't a weapons trafficker.

So HALF of all guns used by criminals are acquired illegally, and 100% of all guns used by criminals were first sold legally to responsible gun owners.

 

[LV426]

Why do you keep asking this question, LV?

Because no one can answer it.

The Constitution has nothing to do with guns getting into the hands of criminals, and that's the problem.

I don't give a shit what someone in 2021 interprets what someone from 1790 might have said anonymously...you can't pick and choose which parts of the Constitution are originalist, and which aren't.

It either ALL is, or none of it is.

if it all is, then we can only apply the laws written in there to the time they were written, which would mean that the 2A, when it was written, spoke of the arms of the day, which were muskets and blunderbusses. If you want a musket or blunderbuss, GO FOR IT. But no citizen should have arms comparable to our standing army. That's just begging for 35,000+ deaths a year.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

That is the best voting reform plan that I've ever heard.

If the voter suppression advocates really believe that they're a majority, this would work in their favor.
If they were a majority, however, they wouldn't need to be voter suppressionists.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Because no one can answer it.

The Constitution has nothing to do with guns getting into the hands of criminals, and that's the problem.

I don't give a shit what someone in 2021 interprets what someone from 1790 might have said anonymously...you can't pick and choose which parts of the Constitution are originalist, and which aren't.

It either ALL is, or none of it is.

if it all is, then we can only apply the laws written in there to the time they were written, which would mean that the 2A, when it was written, spoke of the arms of the day, which were muskets and blunderbusses. If you want a musket or blunderbuss, GO FOR IT. But no citizen should have arms comparable to our standing army. That's just begging for 35,000+ deaths a year.

The reason that no one can answer it, maybe, is that there is no answer.

The Constitution affords citizens guns rights--directly.
The Constitution DOES NOT strip convicted felons from citizenship as far as I can see.

If we make a thing of it, we may discover that depriving convicted felons of gun ownership may itself be unconstitutional.

On other subjects, I've made it clear that I'm a partitionist.
I see no future for America in its current fifty state format.
If we have a new blue nation, we'd also have a new constitutional convention.

Even in BLUE AMERICA, however, I'm not sure that we could get a firearms ban on private citizens.
Americans are too accustomed to being armed,
and willing to get our asses capped in order to have that right.
It's a cultural thing, but if I'm wrong, you'd finally get your desired gun laws.

Everybody doesn't hate hip hop or country music as much as I do.
Everybody doesn't fear guns as much as you do.
But maybe enough people do--we'll need a new country to find out.

 

[LV426]

The reason that no one can answer it, maybe, is that there is no answer.

There most definitely is an answer; don't supply criminals with guns.

Even in BLUE AMERICA, however, I'm not sure that we could get a firearms ban on private citizens.

Well, let's start with comprehensive background checks and mental health evaluations and see how it goes?

 

[leaningright]

I have over 20 long guns and 6 or 7 handguns ... plus thousands or rounds of ammo. They've never killed any human that I know of.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

There most definitely is an answer; don't supply criminals with guns.



Well, let's start with comprehensive background checks and mental health evaluations and see how it goes?

I'm really good with background checks.
Mental health evaluations could be tricky as well as expensive.
We can't get healthcare to everybody in this country whether they like guns or not.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

I have over 20 long guns and 6 or 7 handguns ... plus thousands or rounds of ammo. They've never killed any human that I know of.

Most Americans are trustworthy with their 2nd Amendment rights and sadly, some are not.

I'm a gun owner too. I may have shot at somebody with one of the US Government's guns--
and I'm not quick with an excuse for even that, which seriously sucked--
but certainly never with one of my own.

I am a person rife with opinions on almost everything,
but I can't come up with a fair solution for our gun violence epidemic.

 

[Nordberg]

The Constitution was written when we had a citizen army. They had to get arms to fight off invaders like England. When invaders hit the shores, the people fought them. It is not like that anymore. We have a huge army trained for that. We do not need to flood America with guns making it a much less safe country. We shoot each other for sport.
The thread was about mental illness not at fault for gun violence. It certainly is. Not nearly all of it, but lots of it. The NRA fights any background checks. They used to back them but changed when gun manufacturers insisted they reverse their position. Background checks get a huge majority in almost every group and demographic, near 80 percent. But we do not have them. Money doesn't talk, it swears. It lies. And Americans die.

 

[leaningright]

Most Americans are trustworthy with their 2nd Amendment rights and sadly, some are not.

I'm a gun owner too. I may have shot at somebody with one of the US Government's guns--
and I'm not quick with an excuse for even that, which seriously sucked--
but certainly never with one of my own.

I am a person rife with opinions on almost everything,
but I can't come up with a fair solution for our gun violence epidemic.

Yes sir. You and I have hashed some of this about before. There is no easy...or even difficult solution.