Meanwhile, back at the ranch!

tom prendergast said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Stop and think, Thomas....since the average urban human being is already living with "background" radiation from broadcasts (TV's, radios, computer screens), power stations, natural ground and solar initated exposures, etc., etc., What in the world makes you think that ADDITIONAL exposure from an artificial source of radiation (and of a type that is NOT high of the list of the forementioned, but dangerous none-the-less) can be healthy in the long run?

The attitude from folks like you is that unless you have a scenario right out of a sci-fi horror film where people's skins are melting off and folk dropping dead left and right, things are okay. What's disturbing is the level of denial when you have a new or unusual increase in certain diseases and cancers suddenly showing up in areas around nuke plants and nuke "minor" accidents.

Hey, if you want to live with that threat or with those consequences, that's your business Thomas....the rest of us may not want to take that risk
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I think you need to go on a basic physics course, hopefully then you will be able to differentiate between electromagnetic, ⍺ and β radiation.
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I KNOW the chronology of the posts shows you to be another ideological nuke power wonk who just ignores information that doesn't fit into your belief system, Thomas. And yes, I threw in COMBINATIONS, because the cumulative effects are just as hazardous. My point is still valid...you don't add to the mix and say it's nothing. Bottom line: you can try to split hairs and be picayune, Thomas, but you can't escape the conclusions based on ALL the facts.
 
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The chronology of the posts has already shown you to be in the peanut gallery.
 
bravo said:
Really, is that your idea of a joke...giving open minded moderates a link to a narrow minded left wing propaganda site?:)

Total up the deaths from auto accidents in the world against those from energy producing nuclear plants ?
Got a winner yet ?.....still driving ? still have auto use world wide and getting more and more each minute ?
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Unreal.

1. You think you are openminded?
2. You think you are moderate?
3. You are actualy defending the nuclear industry as safe?
4. Does your mommy know you are using her computer?
 
Taichiliberal said:
We already discussed this, Thomas. Re-posting it won't change my previous response or erase the information I presented on this thread.
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Erases it?....we ignore it.....if we just want someone else's OPINION on the subject, we can google it ourselves.....
 
Radioactive water dumped at sea

Japan on Monday started to dump more than 10,000 tons of low-level radioactive water into the Pacific as part of emergency operations to stabilise its crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.

The last-resort measure came after the Bank of Japan said business confidence had plummeted since the earthquake and tsunami hit on March 11, plunging the country into its worst crisis since World War II.

The UN atomic watchdog chief Yukiya Amano, meanwhile, said that the three-week-old Fukushima emergency, which Japan has predicted may last for months, meant an end to a "business as usual" approach to nuclear power.

His comments appeared borne out when Japan signalled it may weaken its ambitious greenhouse gas cut targets, which are based on a continued heavy reliance on low-carbon atomic power, in light of the disaster.


http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/230296/japan-starts-dumping-radioactive-water-into-sea


Tokyo Electric to Build US Nuclear Plants
The no-BS info on Japan's disastrous nuclear operators


I need to speak to you, not as a reporter, but in my former capacity as lead investigator in several government nuclear plant fraud and racketeering investigations.

I don't know the law in Japan, so I can't tell you if Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO) can plead insanity to the homicides about to happen.

But what will Obama plead? The Administration, just months ago, asked Congress to provide a $4 billion loan guarantee for two new nuclear reactors to be built and operated on the Gulf Coast of Texas — by Tokyo Electric Power and local partners. As if the Gulf hasn't suffered enough.

Here are the facts about Tokyo Electric and the industry you haven't heard on CNN:

The failure of emergency systems at Japan's nuclear plants comes as no surprise to those of us who have worked in the field.

Nuclear plants the world over must be certified for what is called "SQ" or "Seismic Qualification." That is, the owners swear that all components are designed for the maximum conceivable shaking event, be it from an earthquake or an exploding Christmas card from Al Qaeda.

The most inexpensive way to meet your SQ is to lie. The industry does it all the time. The government team I worked with caught them once, in 1988, at the Shoreham plant in New York. Correcting the SQ problem at Shoreham would have cost a cool billion, so engineers were told to change the tests from 'failed' to 'passed.'

The company that put in the false safety report? Stone & Webster, now the nuclear unit of Shaw Construction which will work with Tokyo Electric to build the Texas plant, Lord help us.

There's more.

http://www.gregpalast.com/no-bs-inf...ectric-to-build-us-nukes-with-taxpayer-funds/
 
Taichiliberal said:
Radioactive water dumped at sea

Japan on Monday started to dump more than 10,000 tons of low-level radioactive water into the Pacific as part of emergency operations to stabilise its crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.

The last-resort measure came after the Bank of Japan said business confidence had plummeted since the earthquake and tsunami hit on March 11, plunging the country into its worst crisis since World War II.

The UN atomic watchdog chief Yukiya Amano, meanwhile, said that the three-week-old Fukushima emergency, which Japan has predicted may last for months, meant an end to a "business as usual" approach to nuclear power.

His comments appeared borne out when Japan signalled it may weaken its ambitious greenhouse gas cut targets, which are based on a continued heavy reliance on low-carbon atomic power, in light of the disaster.


http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/230296/japan-starts-dumping-radioactive-water-into-sea


Tokyo Electric to Build US Nuclear Plants
The no-BS info on Japan's disastrous nuclear operators


I need to speak to you, not as a reporter, but in my former capacity as lead investigator in several government nuclear plant fraud and racketeering investigations.

I don't know the law in Japan, so I can't tell you if Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO) can plead insanity to the homicides about to happen.

But what will Obama plead? The Administration, just months ago, asked Congress to provide a $4 billion loan guarantee for two new nuclear reactors to be built and operated on the Gulf Coast of Texas — by Tokyo Electric Power and local partners. As if the Gulf hasn't suffered enough.

Here are the facts about Tokyo Electric and the industry you haven't heard on CNN:

The failure of emergency systems at Japan's nuclear plants comes as no surprise to those of us who have worked in the field.

Nuclear plants the world over must be certified for what is called "SQ" or "Seismic Qualification." That is, the owners swear that all components are designed for the maximum conceivable shaking event, be it from an earthquake or an exploding Christmas card from Al Qaeda.

The most inexpensive way to meet your SQ is to lie. The industry does it all the time. The government team I worked with caught them once, in 1988, at the Shoreham plant in New York. Correcting the SQ problem at Shoreham would have cost a cool billion, so engineers were told to change the tests from 'failed' to 'passed.'

The company that put in the false safety report? Stone & Webster, now the nuclear unit of Shaw Construction which will work with Tokyo Electric to build the Texas plant, Lord help us.

There's more.

http://www.gregpalast.com/no-bs-inf...ectric-to-build-us-nukes-with-taxpayer-funds/
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So dumping thousands of tonnes of water contaminated with Iodine 131, which has a half life of 8 days, into the Pacific is now a major hazard?
 
tom prendergast said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Radioactive water dumped at sea

Japan on Monday started to dump more than 10,000 tons of low-level radioactive water into the Pacific as part of emergency operations to stabilise its crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.

The last-resort measure came after the Bank of Japan said business confidence had plummeted since the earthquake and tsunami hit on March 11, plunging the country into its worst crisis since World War II.

The UN atomic watchdog chief Yukiya Amano, meanwhile, said that the three-week-old Fukushima emergency, which Japan has predicted may last for months, meant an end to a "business as usual" approach to nuclear power.

His comments appeared borne out when Japan signalled it may weaken its ambitious greenhouse gas cut targets, which are based on a continued heavy reliance on low-carbon atomic power, in light of the disaster.


http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/worl...water-into-sea


Tokyo Electric to Build US Nuclear Plants
The no-BS info on Japan's disastrous nuclear operators


I need to speak to you, not as a reporter, but in my former capacity as lead investigator in several government nuclear plant fraud and racketeering investigations.

I don't know the law in Japan, so I can't tell you if Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO) can plead insanity to the homicides about to happen.

But what will Obama plead? The Administration, just months ago, asked Congress to provide a $4 billion loan guarantee for two new nuclear reactors to be built and operated on the Gulf Coast of Texas — by Tokyo Electric Power and local partners. As if the Gulf hasn't suffered enough.

Here are the facts about Tokyo Electric and the industry you haven't heard on CNN:

The failure of emergency systems at Japan's nuclear plants comes as no surprise to those of us who have worked in the field.

Nuclear plants the world over must be certified for what is called "SQ" or "Seismic Qualification." That is, the owners swear that all components are designed for the maximum conceivable shaking event, be it from an earthquake or an exploding Christmas card from Al Qaeda.

The most inexpensive way to meet your SQ is to lie. The industry does it all the time. The government team I worked with caught them once, in 1988, at the Shoreham plant in New York. Correcting the SQ problem at Shoreham would have cost a cool billion, so engineers were told to change the tests from 'failed' to 'passed.'

The company that put in the false safety report? Stone & Webster, now the nuclear unit of Shaw Construction which will work with Tokyo Electric to build the Texas plant, Lord help us.

There's more.

http://www.gregpalast.com/no-bs-info...axpayer-funds/
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So dumping thousands of tonnes of water contaminated with Iodine 131, which has a half life of 8 days, into the Pacific is now a major hazard?
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If you eat the contaminated seafood, yes! And remember, this process is not just for one or two days.

Japan fears radioactive contamination of marine life
Fukushima coastal waters see high levels of radioactive iodine, which could build up in seaweed commonly eaten in Japan


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/30/japan-radioactive-contamination-marine-life


Bottom line: once again, we're being assured that the chances of a negative cumulative effect won't happen, etc., etc. But say, why don't YOU toddle over in a few months and start eating the seafood from that area Thomas? Take the wife and kids with you....that way you can be said to stand by your faith in the nuke power industry.
 
Taichiliberal said:
If you eat the contaminated seafood, yes! And remember, this process is not just for one or two days.

Japan fears radioactive contamination of marine life
Fukushima coastal waters see high levels of radioactive iodine, which could build up in seaweed commonly eaten in Japan


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/30/japan-radioactive-contamination-marine-life


Bottom line: once again, we're being assured that the chances of a negative cumulative effect won't happen, etc., etc. But say, why don't YOU toddle over in a few months and start eating the seafood from that area Thomas? Take the wife and kids with you....that way you can be said to stand by your faith in the nuke power industry.
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I must point out that iodine naturally occurs in seaweed, hence anybody eating it regularly like the Japanese would have a high level of protection from the radioactive isotope I 131, although iodine tablets have been distributed to all of the local population anyway. I can't frankly see any difference between this and an oil spill, apart from the bogeyman that you introduce of "radiation". I also quote from the article that you so kindly posted.

Officials are watching levels of iodine-131 in seawater because although it has a half-life of eight days, meaning it is half as radioactive after that time, the substance builds up in seaweed, a common food in the Japanese diet. If consumed, radioactive iodine collects in the thyroid and can cause cancer. The International Atomic Energy Agency said iodine-131 in seawater would "soon be of no concern" presuming there are no further discharges of contaminated water from the power station into the sea. The IAEA added that Japanese authorities have released the first analyses of fish, caught at the port of Choshi, in Chiba prefecture south of Fukushima, which found one of five to be contaminated with a detectable level of caesium-137, a far more persistent radioactive substance, though at a concentration that was far below safety limits for consumption.


 
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I wonder how many people know that radioactive radon is the second biggest cause of lung cancer after smoking and is especially hazardous in New York state where TCL lives. I suggest that we ban the use of granite from now on as it is a hazardous substance especially when used for kitchen worktops and tiles.

http://ny-radon.info/NY_general.html
 
tom prendergast said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
If you eat the contaminated seafood, yes! And remember, this process is not just for one or two days.

Japan fears radioactive contamination of marine life
Fukushima coastal waters see high levels of radioactive iodine, which could build up in seaweed commonly eaten in Japan


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...on-marine-life


Bottom line: once again, we're being assured that the chances of a negative cumulative effect won't happen, etc., etc. But say, why don't YOU toddle over in a few months and start eating the seafood from that area Thomas? Take the wife and kids with you....that way you can be said to stand by your faith in the nuke power industry.
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I must point out that iodine naturally occurs in seaweed, hence anybody eating it regularly like the Japanese would have a high level of protection from the radioactive isotope I 131, although iodine tablets have been distributed to all of the local population anyway. I can't frankly see any difference between this and an oil spill, apart from the bogeyman that you introduce of "radiation". I also quote from the article that you so kindly posted.

As a nuke power industry wonk, you must point out moot points that don't change the FACT that what's been pouring out of the Fukushima plants for 3 days IN ADDITION to the controlled waste water dump is an artificial increase of radioactive elements....which will be eaten by the local fish, and will have a cumulative effect in the food chain. I must also point out that by your little side step it's evident that the Pendergast family won't be dining on seafood from that area in the coming months....so much for the conviction of your beliefs that you tout, Thomas.
Officials are watching levels of iodine-131 in seawater because although it has a half-life of eight days, meaning it is half as radioactive after that time, the substance builds up in seaweed, a common food in the Japanese diet. If consumed, radioactive iodine collects in the thyroid and can cause cancer. The International Atomic Energy Agency said iodine-131 in seawater would "soon be of no concern" presuming there are no further discharges of contaminated water from the power station into the sea. The IAEA added that Japanese authorities have released the first analyses of fish, caught at the port of Choshi, in Chiba prefecture south of Fukushima, which found one of five to be contaminated with a detectable level of caesium-137, a far more persistent radioactive substance, though at a concentration that was far below safety limits for consumption.

And here's what all nuke industry power wonks want to ignore: " ... Agency said iodine-131 in seawater would "soon be of no concern" presuming there are no further discharges of contaminated water from the power station into the sea..."
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Well Thomas, all the presumptions from the nuke power industry folk haven't exactly stood up to close examination, as the chronology of the posts on this thread have shown.

Oh, and I noticed how you IGNORED the information provided by Greg Palast. Not surprising.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Well Thomas, all the presumptions from the nuke power industry folk haven't exactly stood up to close examination, as the chronology of the posts on this thread have shown.

Oh, and I noticed how you IGNORED the information provided by Greg Palast. Not surprising.
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I have found him to be a polemicist like John Pilger, so I take what he says with a big pinch of salt.

Can I tell you once again that iodine 131 is a man made isotope which does not occur in nature hence it cannot accumulate as you infer. Having a half life of 8 days means that within a month or less it is no longer radioactive. That's a fact which no amount of emotional and unscientific rhetoric can deny.
 
tom prendergast said:
I wonder how many people know that radioactive radon is the second biggest cause of lung cancer after smoking and is especially hazardous in New York state where TCL lives. I suggest that we ban the use of granite from now on as it is a hazardous substance especially when used for kitchen worktops and tiles.

http://ny-radon.info/NY_general.html
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:palm: Thomas, Thomas, Thomas....you keep trying to somehow minimalize the tragedy that is unfolding in Fukushima, it's implications for the nuke plant industry, and the FACTS that show how precarious these plants are...and you look the damned fool for doing so, Thomas, because you comparing MAN MADE problems to ones that occur naturally...then you try to condescend to someone about what's going on in their own backyard. You're a day late and a dollar short on this Thomas,...observe and learn:

Newsflash for you, Thomas.... http://www.health.state.ny.us/environmental/radiological/radon/

http://www.olympiancares.com/radon_page_1.htm

http://www.wadsworth.org/radon/
 
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