McCain says he could support 16-month Iraq timetable

Again, as it was run by Bush, no the war was not inevitable. But again, as I have stated many times in the past, with no response from those who continue to say it was not inevitable....

How fucking long were we supposed to "contain" Saddam? How long were we to maintain an occupation of the no fly zones? How long? Till Saddam died? Till his kids were also dead?

AS I STATED... there was NO need to go into Iraq WHEN we did. We should have, as you have also stated, maintained our focus on Afghanistan. What part of that do you all not comprehend?

Saying the war (IN MY OPINION) was inevitable in no way suggests that what Bush did was correct. But no matter how many times I state this, I still get the same sanctimonious crap from people like you... who are simply restating exactly what I did, with the exception of saying that the war in Iraq was not inevitable.

Containment is NOT a permanent solution.
We should have treated Saddam just like we treated the Kim family. Isolate, pressure and in the end capitulation, just like Kim.
 
Hence the catch 22.... had we not built up forces on his border and had we not gone in... we would not know what we do today... We would still be sitting on the border, occupying the no fly zones, talking about how we had Saddam contained, all the while our presence in Saudi and Kuwait would have continued to result in bombings of our assets, like the embassies, the WTC, the Pentagon, the USS Cole etc....

Complete and utter nonsense. The inspectors would have continued to report that no wmds were found, and eventually the American people would have had to believe that. The ones who wanted this war, for their own terrible reasons, wouldn’t have cared, but the American people would not have been suckered.
 
LMAO..... ah yes, the wonderful UN who in three months suddenly was able to ascertain what in 12 years they could not.

and again Lorax... he would not have had that "unfettered access" had we not put 100,000 troops on the border.

I'm glad you find it really funny that there was ANOTHER OPTION ON THE TABLE that we didn't explore before going to war.

You ignorant hack - I KNOW that the reason inspections were working is because troops amassed on the border; at least you admit that. Did you notice how you said "we'd never know" without that, AND without invading? Convenient, and stupid, way to tie both together, when doing so is completely factually incorrect.

We would have found out about the WMD's without invading. That's what you can't admit to yourself. You are a pathetic excuse for a human being.
 
Damn. Hey Dungheap, weren't you suggesting it would be a good thing for employees at work to talk politics?


I doubt very seriously that the opinions expressed on this board would be expressed with the same vigor and spice in a face to face discussion as on this here board.
 
I doubt very seriously that the opinions expressed on this board would be expressed with the same vigor and spice in a face to face discussion as on this here board.

How would you or Oneceler treat somelike Superfreak if you worked with him and you knew his position on Iraq?

This would be a trial lawyer's dream because you know there would be lawsuits of "I didn't get a promotion because so-so didn't like my politics" or any other number of senario's.

And even if you didn't outright say to a co-worker 'you are a sorry excuse for a human' that thought would probably be in your head while working with them.
 
How would you or Oneceler treat somelike Superfreak if you worked with him and you knew his position on Iraq?

This would be a trial lawyer's dream because you know there would be lawsuits of "I didn't get a promotion because so-so didn't like my politics" or any other number of senario's.

And even if you didn't outright say to a co-worker 'you are a sorry excuse for a human' that thought would probably be in your head while working with them.


1) I probably just wouldn't talk to him about Iraq.

2) Those would be junk lawsuits. Employers are free to discriminate on the basis of political ideology.

3) Already is.
 
That was a weird attempt, too. The more desperate they get, the funnier (and weirder) they tend to be.

Funny thing is Onceler, I'm not that desperate. I'm not here telling people I disagree with that they are pathetic human beings. I asked Dungheap a legitimate question based on a previous comment he made.

However if you and Citizen feel better reassuring each other then far be it from me to interupt.
 
1) I probably just wouldn't talk to him about Iraq.

2) Those would be junk lawsuits. Employers are free to discriminate on the basis of political ideology.

3) Already is.

I'm getting off topic here but if you believe someone you work with is a terrible human being why would you want to spend your time talking politics with them?
 
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I'm glad you find it really funny that there was ANOTHER OPTION ON THE TABLE that we didn't explore before going to war.

You ignorant hack - I KNOW that the reason inspections were working is because troops amassed on the border; at least you admit that. Did you notice how you said "we'd never know" without that, AND without invading? Convenient, and stupid, way to tie both together, when doing so is completely factually incorrect.

We would have found out about the WMD's without invading. That's what you can't admit to yourself. You are a pathetic excuse for a human being.

Really? How exactly is it that we would have found out? So you are suggesting we should have massed the troops on the border and left them sitting there?

Don't go getting all emo on me again. Just because your guy was wrong and you are flailing about trying to proclaim that his position stayed the same and he was right doesn't mean you have to get personal. Or is everyone who disagrees with your almighty OPINION a pathetic excuse for a human being?
 
I'm getting off topic here but if you believe someone you work with is a terrible human being why would you want to spend your time talking politics with them?


I wouldn't, but there are other folks at work that I like to discuss politics with. I think my comment was in response to a question about work being a politics-free zone or something. Just because I wouldn't want to talk to a particular person bout politics doesn't mean I don't want to talk to anyone about it.
 
And he keeps asking...."why does everyone think I'm a Bush apologist?"

You are quite funny. Why is it that you cannot comprehend the difference? You are intelligent enough to do so.

1) Bush fucked up by going in when he did
2) Bush fucked up in how the war was run
3) Bush fucked up by not having an exit strategy
4) Bush fucked up by not having contingency plans in place when the rosy scenario didn't work.

Saying that I thought we would eventually have to go in and remove Saddam does not change the fact that Bush fucked up.

Is that clear to you now or must I really state it another 120 times before you finally get it.
 
I'm glad he says he would support the timetable. I don't have time to read the whole of the thread (busy today), but this does coincide with my predictions earlier, that there is light at the end of the tunnel. Can you feel the excitement?

Nor does it change that all the doom and gloom during the initial stages of the surge were premature and used often by Obama and others to suggest a failure that did not occur.

It wasn't difficult after Iraq requested such a timetable in negotiation of the newest treaties to predict that he would support a timetable concurrent with conditions on the ground. I believe that draw-downs will begin to occur soon, before the election, that will signal an end to Iraqi occupation but will also be backed by a continued permanent presence in bases in Iraq.
 
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