McCain: Russia cooperated with Syria in chemical attack

[Getin the ring]

Russia does not want to fight, China does not want to fight, and Trump does not want to fight.
And for good reason too. They are the saneness that is nuclear.

And collectively Trump will lead them to the well that rids of Assad, The Iranian Mullahs, and Kim Jung bunghole
Like evrthing Trump does there is a long range strategy, he has become a billionaire by staying three moves ahead of anyone he is dealing with, Russia and China are no different than the hundreds if not thousands that have fallen in line

 

[anatta]

http://www.straitstimes.com/world/middle-east/russian-jets-use-iran-base-to-bomb-isis-in-syria

 

[Element-22-Cat]

I don't know if they were actually tasked on keeping Assad from future use -as Kerry said they would remove "known"- but the chlorine must not have been considered.

It is not illegal to stockpile Chlorine. It is illegal to use it on civilians, but barrel bombs violate similar charters. It's a red herring.

Yes i'm sure there was an understanding, but unless there was "Russian collusion" in some fashion-
I can't pin this on Russia

Complicity doesn't require direct collusion.

ditto

there never was any tactical cooperation -just deconfliction

Well yeah, it was cooperation in terms of not having US-Syrian/Russian troops firing at each other. But that's not a minor issue in a horrifically fractured country like Syria which looks like a jigsaw puzzle in terms of political and military control. All you need is one or two mix ups (or worse) that exchange fire and shit hits the fan.

 

[anatta]

It is not illegal to stockpile Chlorine. It is illegal to use it on civilians, but barrel bombs violate similar charters. It's a red herring.

well it can't be legally weaponized...the point though -was there any sarin that Assad had that wasn't "known"?
I ask because Moscow's position on all this was "rebel"stockpiles were hit by Assad

Complicity doesn't require direct collusion.

McCain says "cooperation"-that reads to me more then just complicity

Well yeah, it was cooperation in terms of not having US-Syrian/Russian troops firing at each other. But that's not a minor issue in a horrifically fractured country like Syria which looks like a jigsaw puzzle in terms of political and military control. All you need is one or two mix ups (or worse) that exchange fire and shit hits the fan.

also notification...yes the deconfliction is a big thing

 

[Rune]

Russia does not want to fight, China does not want to fight, and Trump does not want to fight.
And for good reason too. They are the saneness that is nuclear.

And collectively Trump will lead them to the well that rids of Assad, The Iranian Mullahs, and Kim Jung bunghole
Like evrthing Trump does there is a long range strategy, he has become a billionaire by staying three moves ahead of anyone he is dealing with, Russia and China are no different than the hundreds if not thousands that have fallen in line

Trump was given 212million dollars and still had to go bankrupt 6 times, retard.

 

[Element-22-Cat]

well it can't be legally weaponized...the point though -was there any sarin that Assad had that wasn't "known"?

Syria declared its stockpiles and what sites they were in. Certainly there were more suspected sites but I don't believe there was an sort of significant inspection of other possible sites. After all you are in the middle of a civil war, it's practically impossible for inspectors to safely do wide scale inspections of suspected sites even with substantial cooperation from the Syrian government. But would Syria tell Russia if they had any other stockpiles? And if they did would Russia make it an issue, probably not.

I ask because Moscow's position on all this was "rebel"stockpiles were hit by Assad

The rebels have no way to effectively deploy chemical weapons like Sarin, so there isn't much benefit from stockpiling them, even a danger. Nobody believes that excuse from Moscow, dropping conventional bombs on nerve gas does more to destroy it than anything else. Dispersion from air or a collective artillery launch is what makes it a weapon.

McCain says "cooperation"-that reads to me more then just complicity

Perhaps, and while it is pretty much just speculation, it would seem to me to be unlikely that Russia didn't have some idea that Syria possessed and might use Sarin again. But again, speculation.

also notification...yes the deconfliction is a big thing

Agreed.

 

[anatta]

Syria declared its stockpiles and what sites they were in. Certainly there were more suspected sites but I don't believe there was an sort of significant inspection of other possible sites. After all you are in the middle of a civil war, it's practically impossible for inspectors to safely do wide scale inspections of suspected sites even with substantial cooperation from the Syrian government. But would Syria tell Russia if they had any other stockpiles? And if they did would Russia make it an issue, probably not.

The rebels have no way to effectively deploy chemical weapons like Sarin, so there isn't much benefit from stockpiling them, even a danger. Nobody believes that excuse from Moscow, dropping conventional bombs on nerve gas does more to destroy it than anything else. Dispersion from air or a collective artillery launch is what makes it a weapon.

Perhaps, and while it is pretty much just speculation, it would seem to me to be unlikely that Russia didn't have some idea that Syria possessed and might use Sarin again. But again, speculation.

Agreed.

agreed..one more question..isn't sarin a binary weapon? I ask because I found thiz -meaning maybe if it's not binary it could be spread by a bombing a facility? like a "rebel stockpile?"

http://tmedweb.tulane.edu/pharmwiki/doku.php/sarin
Mechanism of Action: Sarin is the most volatile of the nerve agents, which means that it can easily and quickly evaporate from a liquid into a vapor and spread into the environment. People can be exposed to the vapor even if they do not come in contact with the liquid form of sarin.Oct 23, 2013

 

[anatta]

Votel and Mattis both say the deconfliction line doesn't matter they are "confident" US pilots are not in danger.

Methinks they are blowing hot air

 

[Element-22-Cat]

Votel and Mattis both say the deconfliction line doesn't matter they are "confident" US pilots are not in danger.

Methinks they are blowing hot air

Yes, because they have already made major reductions in their air attacks against ISIS in Syria to lesson the danger due to confliction.

 

[Element-22-Cat]

agreed..one more question..isn't sarin a binary weapon? I ask because I found thiz -meaning maybe if it's not binary it could be spread by a bombing a facility? like a "rebel stockpile?"

It can be a binary weapon which makes long term storage of it safer. But the non-binary components are going to heavily destroyed by powerful explosives as well.

http://tmedweb.tulane.edu/pharmwiki/doku.php/sarin
Mechanism of Action: Sarin is the most volatile of the nerve agents, which means that it can easily and quickly evaporate from a liquid into a vapor and spread into the environment. People can be exposed to the vapor even if they do not come in contact with the liquid form of sarin.Oct 23, 2013

Which is why explosive charges destroy Sarin and make it highly unlikely to effectively disperse in that manner.