Maybe There Isn't Going to be an Iraqistan

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Washington - President Barack Obama campaigned on a promise to redirect U.S. troops and resources to Afghanistan from Iraq, but he has done little so far to suggest he will significantly widen the grinding war with insurgents in Afghanistan.

On the contrary, Obama appears likely to streamline the U.S. focus with an eye to the worsening economy and the cautionary example of the Iraq war that sapped political support for President George W. Bush.

"There's not simply a military solution to that problem," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said last week, and Obama believes "that only through long-term and sustainable development can we ever hope to turn around what's going on there."

Less than two weeks into the new administration, Obama has had little to say in public about what his top military adviser says is the largest challenge facing the armed forces. He did say Afghanistan and Pakistan are the central front in the struggle against terrorism, a clue to the likely shift toward a targeted counterterrorism strategy.

After Obama's first visit to the Pentagon as president, a senior defense official said the new president surveyed top uniformed officers about the strain of fighting two wars and warned that the economic crisis will limit U.S. responses. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because Obama's meeting with the Joint Chiefs of Staff was private.

Obama said he wants to add troops to turn back a resurgent Taliban, but he has not gone beyond the approximately 30,000 additional forces already under consideration by the previous administration. Those troops will nearly double the U.S. presence in Afghanistan this year, but they amount to a finger in the dike while Obama recalibrates a chaotic mishmash of military and development objectives.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates last week warned of grandiose goals in Afghanistan, prescribing a single-minded strategy to prevent Afghanistan from being a terrorism launchpad.

"Afghanistan is the fourth or fifth poorest country in the world, and if we set ourselves the objective of creating some sort of Central Asian Valhalla over there, we will lose," Gates said, referring to a haven of purity in Norse mythology. "Nobody in the world has that kind of time, patience or money, to be honest."

Obama has ordered a fast internal review of his military, diplomatic and other options in Afghanistan before he makes decisions that define how aggressively he will answer the growing threat of failure in Afghanistan.

Along with that review, coordinated by the National Security Council, Obama will have results of a just-completed classified Joint Chiefs of Staff assessment of a largely stalemated fight against the Taliban and counterterrorism efforts against al-Qaida and affiliated groups along the Pakistan border.

That report, which has not yet gone to the White House, talks broadly about tamping down expectations in the Afghan war.

Instead, it suggests that key goals should be to make modest gains to stabilize the governance and to eliminate terrorist safe havens, senior defense officials said. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the report is secret.

It also calls for military commanders to better articulate what their objectives in Afghanistan are because only then can leaders determine what types of troops should be deployed and how many.

The Joint Chiefs review also stresses that the strategy must be driven by what the Afghans want and that the U.S. cannot impose its own goals on the Afghan government.

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Best thing we could do is gtf out right after leaving Iraq. Most terrorist 911 were Saudis. And we didn't declair war on redneck white suppremist after Oklahoma bombing unfortunatley. The south would be all blue states without them.
 
This is how it goes. The taxpayer is forced to pay to completely rework a society by force and slaughter so it's amenable to control and profiteering by multinational corporations, who keep all the earned profits thereafter.

The military industrial complex at it's finest. What a screwjob.
 
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No worries bro, nothing can touch my love for my sons.
And they have prob fucked up more times than they have been accused here, my fault for spoiling em rotten.
 
Best thing we could do is gtf out right after leaving Iraq. Most terrorist 911 were Saudis. And we didn't declair war on redneck white suppremist after Oklahoma bombing unfortunatley. The south would be all blue states without them.

Ahmen bro. Declare victory and gtf out! As for the redneck problem. Let's set up a white supremicist redneck tribunal. Anyone convicted of being one gets bannished to Alabama or Mississippi until they learn what it means to be an American. Then they can apply to come back to the United States!
 
Ahmen bro. Declare victory and gtf out! As for the redneck problem. Let's set up a white supremicist redneck tribunal. Anyone convicted of being one gets bannished to Alabama or Mississippi until they learn what it means to be an American. Then they can apply to come back to the United States!

Will there be a tribunal for black supremacists? Or jewish supremacists?
 
Black dudes were inslaved for hundreds of years and now jailed for a harmless plant. Are you that hartless that you think brothers don't deserve a little hand up. I think they deserve a huge hand up. Like free college or votech if they don't as want college.
 
Black dudes were inslaved for hundreds of years and now jailed for a harmless plant. Are you that hartless that you think brothers don't deserve a little hand up. I think they deserve a huge hand up. Like free college or votech if they don't as want college.

Good thinking, particularly when considering we make up such a small percentage of harmless plant smokers.

The hand up needed is from white people like you demanding justice in the criminal system .. and all the reparations needed is an open door to education. We'd create our own opportunity.
 
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If we pull out of Afghanistan the terrorists will get back into Iraq. Let's keep a decent air base there, train locals to be spotters and drop bombs on terrorist camps once in a while. It's cheap, effective, good training for our Air Force and long term sustainable.
 
If Iraqistan does not happen and Obama takes an intelligent course in Afghanistan and on the so-called war on terror, nobody will be happier than I, and I'd be supporting him for a 2nd term.

It would make my $400. investment in him worth it.
 
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If we pull out of Afghanistan the terrorists will get back into Iraq. Let's keep a decent air base there, train locals to be spotters and drop bombs on terrorist camps once in a while. It's cheap, effective, good training for our Air Force and long term sustainable.

So called "terrorists" were never in Iraq until we brought them there.

Iraq is a sovereign nation now that will be aligning itself closer to Iran, thanks to us.

"drop bombs on terrorist camps" .. and any civilians who get in the way. That kind of failed thinking is exactly why the war on "terror" has been such a failure.
 
Afghanistan is one of the poorest countries, if we leave they will go back to focusing on how to eat and raise their families. The Bush Admin/military ind complex cooked up this need to wipe out the taliban.
Kinda like Tim McViegh on Steroids, that's what the republican party has sunk too.
 
Black dudes were inslaved for hundreds of years and now jailed for a harmless plant. Are you that hartless that you think brothers don't deserve a little hand up. I think they deserve a huge hand up. Like free college or votech if they don't as want college.

The drug laws are crazy, I agree.

A hand up is fine. give them some cash. don't take it out of someone's else's ass and create new victims of discrimination.
 
So called "terrorists" were never in Iraq until we brought them there.

Iraq is a sovereign nation now that will be aligning itself closer to Iran, thanks to us.

"drop bombs on terrorist camps" .. and any civilians who get in the way. That kind of failed thinking is exactly why the war on "terror" has been such a failure.
Actually, the links between Saddam and bin Laden have been well documented.

Our long term presence in Iraq with an established base will deter the Iran leaders from attempting to mess with Iraq. The Iraq democracy will be a huge incentive for a revolution in Iran, and the radical Islamic leaders will be overthrown, dragged into the streets, and hung.
 
Afghanistan is one of the poorest countries, if we leave they will go back to focusing on how to eat and raise their families. .....
You seem to be confusing native Afghans who make up the vast majority of the population with the small percentage of radicals receiving financial and military support from outside of the country.
 
you seemed confused as to their ability to do use any harm after we get the fuck out of their desert.
 
you seemed confused as to their ability to do use any harm after we get the fuck out of their desert.
It is you who appear to be confused. A desert, by definition, is a lifeless place that presents little or no agricultural resources. Our presence with a base there therefore represents economic opportunity to peaceful Afghans, as well as the obvious protection from the tiny faction of radicals who hole themselves up in caves.
 
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