Massive pollution in Democrat-run state - hey, look over there - a traffic jam!

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Last week’s massive chemical spill into West Virginia’s Elk River, which cut off water to more than 300,000 people, came in a state with a long and troubled history of regulating the coal and chemical companies that form the heart of its economy.


In 2009, an investigation by The New York Times found that hundreds of workplaces in West Virginia had violated pollution laws without paying fines.


In interviews at the time, current and former West Virginia Department of Environmental Protection employees said their enforcement efforts had been undermined by bureaucratic disorganization; a departmental preference to let polluters escape punishment if they promised to try harder; and a revolving door of regulators who left for higher-paying jobs at the companies they once policed.



www.nytimes.com/2014/01/13/us/critics-say-chemical-spill-highlights-lax-west-virginia-regulations.html?_r=0
 
What a small brain.... I would elaborate but I really shouldn't have to I you knew ANYTHING about politics and what parties stand for.
 
You don't even note that "Freedom Industries" is behind this spill. You just think everything has to be a Left issue. Grow up kid.
 
Why hasn't the Democrat governor and Democrat-dominated legislature of West Virginia prevented this assault on the environment?


Aren't Democrats fervently thinking about ways to keep evil enterprise from exploiting our earth?


Is the Obama administration looking into this?


Where's the EPA?
 
Big Money said:
Why hasn't the Democrat governor and Democrat-dominated legislature of West Virginia prevented this assault on the environment?


Aren't Democrats fervently thinking about ways to keep evil enterprise from exploiting our earth?


Is the Obama administration looking into this?


Where's the EPA?
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You mean to tell me Democratic regulatory oversight didn't work?
 
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You mean to tell me Democratic regulatory oversight didn't work?
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What difference, at this point, does it make?

There were 4 days of traffic in Fort Lee last September, and now it's been revealed that tourism commercials showed a Republican governor.

Oh, the humanity.
 
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You don't even note that "Freedom Industries" is behind this spill. You just think everything has to be a Left issue. Grow up kid.
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I notice that you started a thread that blamed Freedom Industries alone, and didn't mention anything about the slack regulatory climate. Instead you berated the concept of 'freedom".
 
It's systemic. Regulators are always captured by the industries they regulate. It does not bode well for the argument that regulation should be left to the states, since the special interest can be more concentrated there, e.g., coal in WV.

A better solution is real property rights. That is, let the property owners damaged sue the piss out of polluters. But we saw how that was met by the right wing during the BP spill.
 
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Hasa Diga Eebowai said:
It's systemic. Regulators are always captured by the industries they regulate. It does not bode well for the argument that regulation should be left to the states, since the special interest con be more concentrated their, e.g., coal in WV.

A better solution is real property rights. That is, let the property owners damaged sue the piss out of polluters. But we saw how that was met by the right wing during the BP spill.
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Your proposals here seem to be at odds. On one hand you want individuals to police large corporations that neighbor them, essentially letting the private market control itself, but on the other hand you want FedCo dictate to corporations as a central planner.
 
Why hasn't Obama appointed an investigator to look into this crime against the people of West Virginia?

Aren't there any DNC donors available?
 
Right said:
Your proposals here seem to be at odds. On one hand you want individuals to police large corporations that neighbor them, essentially letting the private market control itself, but on the other hand you want FedCo dictate to corporations as a central planner.
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Where did I indicate that I want the Federal government to "dictate to corporations as a central planner?"
 
Right said:
"It does not bode well for the argument that regulation should be left to the states". I assume that this was a push for federal regulation. Was I wrong?
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No, it was an argument against the big government answers of right wing statists. Returning power to central planners at the state level, who can be more easily corrupted by local and regional special interests is not a good solution. It is just one right wing statists like because they know they can't win nationally.
 
Hasa Diga Eebowai said:
No, it was an argument against the big government answers of right wing statists. Returning power to central planners at the state level, who can be more easily corrupted by local and regional special interests is not a good solution. It is just one right wing statists like because they know they can't win nationally.
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That's an odd term, "right wing statists". Statists are central planners, indigenous with the Left.

I think the the federal government has to be involved with setting standards for environmental regulation. They should also act as they id in the 70's and 80's as a clearing house for technological innovation. Then leave it up to the states to regulate it themselves. Individual property owners just don't have the resoureces to do battle against large corporate neighbors who violate these standards.
 
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I said "should", not "will". No doubt any federal investigation will be a shield for a cover-up.
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For the fifth straight day, hundreds of thousands of people in West Virginia had to wash, cook and brush their teeth with bottled water, but officials promised the ban on tap water that was tainted by a chemical spill would soon be lifted.


"We see light at the end of the tunnel," Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin told reporters.



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/13/hundreds-report-exposure-symptoms-in-w-va-after-crippling-chemical-spill/



Tomblin is a Democrat.
 
Right said:
That's an odd term, "right wing statists". Statists are central planners, indigenous with the Left.

I think the the federal government has to be involved with setting standards for environmental regulation. They should also act as they id in the 70's and 80's as a clearing house for technological innovation. Then leave it up to the states to regulate it themselves. Individual property owners just don't have the resoureces to do battle against large corporate neighbors who violate these standards.
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They are indigenous to the right, as well.

So when you say the Federal government needs to be involved it's not "FedCo dictating to corporations as central planners?" That only applies if someone that is not on the Right says the same thing or something similar?

They would have the resources if the developing legal doctrines had not been interfered with to protect polluters and create property rights in pollution. The problem is that you have to be able to prove some degree of harm or damage instead of just proving they polluted your property.
 
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