Mark of the Beast, or common sense?

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Onceler said:
Failed to solve a single crime? That's absurd.

As is the claim that this is an "anti gun" measure. It's pro law enforcement, and common sense.
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/op...ed-microstamp-letter-20120618,0,2323715.story

Microstamp technology is ineffective for law enforcement

Maryland has already been down the road of requiring that a fired shell casing be provided for every pistol sold in the state (that being a simpler type of microstamping). That requirement has not produced a single criminal conviction in 15 years, and the Maryland State Police no longer enter the shell casings into a searchable database both because of the cost and lack of effectiveness of the technology. In fact, New York recently repealed its shell case requirement in order to use those funds to hire more state police, leaving Maryland as the only state that still retains this costly and ineffective requirement. Repeating the shell casing mistake with a more expensive, less reliable technology just wastes even more resources.
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how 'absurd' do you think it is?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
one would think that after the wasted millions and useless firearm list and tracking databases that have been implemented, yet have failed to solve a single crime, would be enough for the anti gunners to quit. I guess they are dumber than we thought.
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I said that was absurd. Duh.

Way to switch the goalposts when you've spend literally days trying to back up that absurd claim & came up empty.
 
Onceler said:
I said that was absurd. Duh.

Way to switch the goalposts when you've spend literally days trying to back up that absurd claim & came up empty.
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so I come across an article that states plainly that Maryland state police have wasted MILLIONS on a tracking database and in 15 years, has never solved a crime, proving that my statement you called 'absurd' was completely correct, and that's moving the goalposts?
 
So, when you 1st said "useless firearm list and tracking databases," you were referring specifically & only to microstamping?

Sure thing.
 
Onceler said:
So, when you 1st said "useless firearm list and tracking databases," you were referring specifically & only to microstamping?

Sure thing.
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of course not, but like ballistics tracking DBs are useless, so will microstamping prove. it's too easy to circumvent even if it's implemented. but don't let that get in the way of your faulty logic.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
of course not, but like ballistics tracking DBs are useless, so will microstamping prove. it's too easy to circumvent even if it's implemented. but don't let that get in the way of your faulty logic.
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It certainly does take some doing to get you to admit you moved the goalposts.
 
\\()// said:
Is that a reason to oppose the technology?

Criminals could file off the code or replace the firing pin. And the technology would not apply to revolvers, which do not discharge cartridge casings.
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The FBI estimates there are over 200 million privately owned firearms in the US. This hare-brained scheme wouldn't apply to them either. So the real question is, WHY? You yourself admit that the whole thing can be foiled with a piece of sand paper, not to mention the cost of setting up and maintaining all the government bullshit that comes with this kind of facism. There are bigger fish to fry.
 
leaningright said:
As an avid gun user and shooter who makes less than 50K per year I question the cost to the consumer of the implementation of this technology.
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As an avid car owner and driver who makes less than 50K per year (LOL) do you question the cost of vehicle registration and VINs?
 
\\()// said:
Identifying the firearm used in a crime is one of the biggest challenges for criminal investigators.

But what if a shell casing picked up at a murder scene could immediately be tracked to the gun that fired it?

A technique that uses laser technology and stamps a numeric code on shell casings can do just that.

Microstamping works much like an ink stamp.

Lasers engrave a unique microscopic numeric code on the tip of a gun’s firing pin and breach face.

When the gun is fired, the pressure transfers the markings to the shell casings.

By reading the code imprinted on casings found at a crime scene, police officers can identify the gun and track it to the purchaser, even when the weapon is not recovered.

Microstamping say it offers advantages over ballistic analysis, which has been used for more than a century and depends on matching incidental tool marks on bullets and cartridge casings to show that a particular weapon was used.

Under this system, when a cartridge casing is found to match one already entered in a computer database, like the one maintained by the government’s National Integrated Ballistic Information Network, a forensic examiner must confirm the match.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/13/us/code-on-shell-casings-sparks-a-gun-debate.html?pagewanted=all
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Sounds like a good idea to me.
 
Damocles said:
Let me see.... Make the gun, sell it to dealer. Dealer sells gun. Later gun is used in crime. They read the code, go to dealer, get receipt show up at Bob's house and question him because he bought the gun.

I can see benefit from it, and some negatives. I can see more argument for registries so they don't have to go to the dealer step, bad idea IMO.

Criminal organizations will not be purchasing their weapons legally. I don't see this working for Gangs, etc but for regular Joe Schmoe? Whacking your neighbor will be much more difficult to get away with. Overall, from what I see, so long as people don't let it get to the registration point this will have larger benefit than negative.
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And what occurs when the owner has changed the barrel and firing pin?
 
callinectes said:
The FBI estimates there are over 200 million privately owned firearms in the US. This hare-brained scheme wouldn't apply to them either. So the real question is, WHY? You yourself admit that the whole thing can be foiled with a piece of sand paper, not to mention the cost of setting up and maintaining all the government bullshit that comes with this kind of facism. There are bigger fish to fry.
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taking any measure on guns, no matter how small or incremental, is a system of persecution of gun owners. At the very least the costs will be passed on to the consumer, making them have to pay more to protect themselves.
 
there is a reason why the anti-gun people like this measure. They know what it means. They can't wipe the smug look off their face when they think of how awesome it will be to make gun owners have to pay more money for exercising their 2nd amendment right.
 
G R I N D said:
taking any measure on guns, no matter how small or incremental, is a system of persecution of gun owners. At the very least the costs will be passed on to the consumer, making them have to pay more to protect themselves.
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One reason I started only buying guns made in AZ, so I don't have to pay the Federal charges
 
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