Marital Counseling for Libertarians and Social Conservatives

Dixie said:
Doesn't matter if my number is BS or your number is BS, you're living on a yellow brick road, wearing ruby slippers, and talking to a little dog, if you think you are anywhere NEAR having enough support to amend the Constitution. But it was nice of you to admit that same-sex marriage is currently NOT seen as Constitutionally sound...that's progress!
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I never said it wouild take an amendment, so that the knuckledragers would be told that gay marriages are going to be acceptable.

You and your ilk are the only ones that keep bringing up the amendment option.

The Supreme Court is going to rule that gay marriages are legal and you're just gokng to have to accept it; even though you don't agree.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Not that long ago, in our history, Blacks were not allowed to be married.
They could co-habitate (jump the broom); but if the master decided to sell one half of that union, it wasn't looked at as married couples being seperated.
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Completely out of context. You might not realize this, but homosexuals are not being enslaved.

Again, I was talking about conditions in Virginia and other states, immediately prior to the Loving case.
 
Dixie said:
Gays aren't denied civil rights. None of you have shown a single instance where they are, and you just keep repeating your idiocy. Women and blacks were both being denied their civil rights, but homosexuals are not.
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It's been repeated numerous times and your only response is to say that they are free to marry someone they don't want to marry. They are being denied the right to marry the person of their choice (clearly implies that both parties have to agree to the choice).

In both cases you mention, a Constitutional amendment was ratified by 3/4 of the states. Both issues were resoundingly supported by religious activists, and by Stringy's or Dumo's standard, would have been "unconstitutional" to even consider their viewpoint, much less ratify an amendment. Nevertheless, the religiously-based view that blacks were humans and women were equal to men, was codified into law by the overwhelming will of the people.
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Straw man. You lack any shred of honesty. The bible says it is wrong to bear false witness.

Now, USF, you can sit there and reel off insulting blather all you like, it isn't going to make a difference to anyone but you. The fact of reality is, you have about 20% of the country who favors homosexual marriage, and about 80% who are opposed. You've got an unimaginable long way to go before you get cocky enough to brag about a constitutional amendment. Doing so at this point, makes you look like the abject moron you are, so it's fitting and proper you do so... go right ahead and knock yourself out!
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80%? Another blatantly obvious lie. There won't be any constitutional amendment. There is no need for one.
 
Dixie said:
Two consenting adults do not have the right to join in marriage unless they are male and female, because that is what marriage is. Homosexuals are not denied this right.
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Two consenting adults do not have the right to join in marriage unless they are of the same race, because that is what marriage is. Neither blacks nor whites are not denied this right.

What is the point in you continuing to ignore the arguments of other posters?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
I never said it wouild take an amendment, so that the knuckledragers would be told that gay marriages are going to be acceptable.
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Really? In post #544, you didn't say...
But there's not going to be an amendment, unless you keep denying gays their civil rights and then their might be one; just like the amendments that gave women the right to vote and Blacks the designation of being person's, instead of something less

Sure looks like that is what you said, and I think you should know, the "knucklegraggers" outnumber you 2 to 1 as of now, and in 10 years at this site, you've not managed to change a single mind in your favor, so you have a really LONG way to go before you start talking about your lunacy being law of the land.

You and your ilk are the only ones that keep bringing up the amendment option.
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Well that's because about 70% of the people, in the most LIBERAL states, have rejected Homosexual Marriage, and in the hardcore Red States, it is probably upwards of 90% who oppose it. We only need 3/4 of the states to ratify with a vote of more than 50%... I think we've got that, if we want it.

The Supreme Court is going to rule that gay marriages are legal and you're just gokng to have to accept it; even though you don't agree.
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IF and when they do, The People will adopt a Constitutional Amendment and settle the issue forever. Then YOU will have to accept it, the Supreme Court will have to uphold it, and we'll teach the little children about the 28th Amendment in school, and why we were forced to ratify it.
 
RStringfield said:
Two consenting adults do not have the right to join in marriage unless they are of the same race, because that is what marriage is. Neither blacks nor whites are not denied this right.

What is the point in you continuing to ignore the arguments of other posters?
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No, I am sorry, that ONCE was the law, but since passage of the CRA 1964, discrimination based on race is forbidden. We can still discriminate based on sexual deviancy, there is no law prohibiting it yet. Now, if you want to continue to lobby for the rights of sexual deviants, that is your Constitutional right and I support your ability to be able to do that.
 
Dixie said:
Really? In post #544, you didn't say...
But there's not going to be an amendment, unless you keep denying gays their civil rights and then their might be one; just like the amendments that gave women the right to vote and Blacks the designation of being person's, instead of something less

Sure looks like that is what you said, and I think you should know, the "knucklegraggers" outnumber you 2 to 1 as of now, and in 10 years at this site, you've not managed to change a single mind in your favor, so you have a really LONG way to go before you start talking about your lunacy being law of the land.



Well that's because about 70% of the people, in the most LIBERAL states, have rejected Homosexual Marriage, and in the hardcore Red States, it is probably upwards of 90% who oppose it. We only need 3/4 of the states to ratify with a vote of more than 50%... I think we've got that, if we want it.



IF and when they do, The People will adopt a Constitutional Amendment and settle the issue forever. Then YOU will have to accept it, the Supreme Court will have to uphold it, and we'll teach the little children about the 28th Amendment in school, and why we were forced to ratify it.
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So now you've decided to give yourself the "OUT" of if you want it.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

You can keep wishing on that star, Pinocchio, and maybe the Blue Fairy will allow you to become human; but society is going to allow same sex marriages, you're not going to get the amendment you hope for, and you're just going to have to accept the fact that same sex marriages are going to be accepted by society.
 
Dixie said:
No, I am sorry, that ONCE was the law, but since passage of the CRA 1964, discrimination based on race is forbidden. We can still discriminate based on sexual deviancy, there is no law prohibiting it yet. Now, if you want to continue to lobby for the rights of sexual deviants, that is your Constitutional right and I support your ability to be able to do that.
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So you finally admit that it's "DISCRIMINATION"!!

Good for you. :good4u:
 
RStringfield said:
It's been repeated numerous times and your only response is to say that they are free to marry someone they don't want to marry. They are being denied the right to marry the person of their choice (clearly implies that both parties have to agree to the choice).
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Well, but you can't marry someone of the same sex, just like you can't marry an inanimate object... it's not MARRIAGE! It's something else! I'm not homosexual, but if I wanted to marry someone of the same sex, I would not be able to, because that isn't marriage. It's not discriminatory if no one is allowed to do it! Sorry!

Straw man. You lack any shred of honesty. The bible says it is wrong to bear false witness.
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The Bible says a lot of stuff, what does that have to do with me? I am a Spiritualist, not a Christian.

80%? Another blatantly obvious lie. There won't be any constitutional amendment. There is no need for one.
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Yes.... 80 fucking percent! What is the deal with you goofballs that you dispute this number? 14% Homosexuals, 3% Libertarians, and 3% Liberal mush-brains! That is about ALL the "support" your little pansy ass movement has, it can't get a ballot initiative passed in the most liberal meccas of America! The most LIBERAL Administration in the history of America couldn't even bring itself to support Gay Marriage with it's base screaming they wanted it! Yes, 80%.... maybe fucking 90% or more in some areas!

You people have disillusioned yourself to the point of silliness!
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
So now you've decided to give yourself the "OUT" of if you want it.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

You can keep wishing on that star, Pinocchio, and maybe the Blue Fairy will allow you to become human; but society is going to allow same sex marriages, you're not going to get the amendment you hope for, and you're just going to have to accept the fact that same sex marriages are going to be accepted by society.
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And you can keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again, Dorothy! You haven't made a case for your arguments, you can't make a logical case, you've been completely trounced in every area of this debate, and all you have left is your insipid little smirks and cocky arrogance. We'll see what happens, you and Toto have a LONG ASS way to go before you get to marry your boyfriend, twerp!
 
Dixie said:
Well, but you can't marry someone of the same sex, just like you can't marry an inanimate object... it's not MARRIAGE! It's something else! I'm not homosexual, but if I wanted to marry someone of the same sex, I would not be able to, because that isn't marriage. It's not discriminatory if no one is allowed to do it! Sorry!
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That's just nonsense. Your reason for saying you can't marry someone of the same sex is completely arbitrary. The reason you can't marry an inanimate object is because it cannot consent to marry and it cannot act upon any of the contractual obligations or rights of a spouse.


The Bible says a lot of stuff, what does that have to do with me? I am a Spiritualist, not a Christian.
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Uh huh. Do you know that your bible says you will be denied entrance for statements such as this? Matthew 10:33.

You are lying about the argument Damo and I gave concerning basing laws on religious beliefs. The fact that a law agreees with biblical scripture or scripture is a reason one may support a law, does not make it unconstitutional. But your religious

Yes.... 80 fucking percent! What is the deal with you goofballs that you dispute this number? 14% Homosexuals, 3% Libertarians, and 3% Liberal mush-brains! That is about ALL the "support" your little pansy ass movement has, it can't get a ballot initiative passed in the most liberal meccas of America! The most LIBERAL Administration in the history of America couldn't even bring itself to support Gay Marriage with it's base screaming they wanted it! Yes, 80%.... maybe fucking 90% or more in some areas!

You people have disillusioned yourself to the point of silliness!
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The big deal is that 80% is inaccurate and you know it.

You believe that >14% of the population is homosexual? Okay.
 
Dixie said:
And I can keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again, Dorothy! I haven't made a case for my arguments, I can't make a logical case, I've been completely trounced in every area of this debate, and all I have left is my insipid little smirks and cocky arrogance. We'll see what happens, I and Toto have a LONG ASS way to go before I get to marry SM, twerp!
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Dixie said:
No, I am sorry, that ONCE was the law, but since passage of the CRA 1964, discrimination based on race is forbidden. We can still discriminate based on sexual deviancy, there is no law prohibiting it yet. Now, if you want to continue to lobby for the rights of sexual deviants, that is your Constitutional right and I support your ability to be able to do that.
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No, I am sorry, the CRA of 64 is not mentioned in Loving v Virginia. The court found that it violated the 14th amendment and that there was no valid state interst served by the law.
 
Dixie said:
Really? In post #544, you didn't say...
But there's not going to be an amendment, unless you keep denying gays their civil rights and then their might be one; just like the amendments that gave women the right to vote and Blacks the designation of being person's, instead of something less

Sure looks like that is what you said, and I think you should know, the "knucklegraggers" outnumber you 2 to 1 as of now, and in 10 years at this site, you've not managed to change a single mind in your favor, so you have a really LONG way to go before you start talking about your lunacy being law of the land.
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"But", "unless", "might"... nothing in there about it requiring an amendment.

Nope, I don't know where you got that! ....Oh wait. you're a fucking retarded idiot who can't read, comprehend, or digest anything in context... I forgot!
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What else could this mean?

We can still discriminate based on sexual deviancy, there is no law prohibiting it yet.
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RStringfield said:
You think this is clever but it is just evasive. Either sexuality is innate or you would be just as susceptible to environmental influences as everyone else.

Personally, I doubt any amount of nurturing would make me attracted to males. But you claim that you could suck dicks without issue, but you choose not to because the bible says it's bad.
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I never claimed that. That is what you wish I claimed.

My position is that the human mind can do odd things, and if society reinforces that the behavior is normal moral natural and healthy, the odd behavior is simply continued.

No one can argue that humans have a natural inclination for self-preservation. Yet humans exhibit self-destructive behavior, even commit suicide. If society states that self-destructive behavior is normal moral natural and healthy, then expect more self-destructive behavior.
 
Southern Man said:
I never claimed that. That is what you wish I claimed.

My position is that the human mind can do odd things, and if society reinforces that the behavior is normal moral natural and healthy, the odd behavior is simply continued.

No one can argue that humans have a natural inclination for self-preservation. Yet humans exhibit self-destructive behavior, even commit suicide. If society states that self-destructive behavior is normal moral natural and healthy, then expect more self-destructive behavior.
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Still, you might have been gay had society not taken your dollies away. You were equally attracted to little boys until teacher smacked your homoerect dingy. lol.
 
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