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No, Paul did. Romans chapter 1, again in Corinthians...

You may be right, I was thinking it was Jesus. Nevertheless, Jesus did speak out against sexual indulgences. Also, the OT says that God Himself proclaimed homosexuality an 'abomination'. To many religious folk, God kinda trumps Jesus.

Just sayin...
 
You may be right, I was thinking it was Jesus. Nevertheless, Jesus did speak out against sexual indulgences. Also, the OT says that God Himself proclaimed homosexuality an 'abomination'. To many religious folk, God kinda trumps Jesus.

Just sayin...

Then you intend to adhere to all of the laws laid out in the OT?? :good4u:
What does the Bible say about excessive "self love"; because you've been fucking yourself, all day. :chesh:
 
Of course not. That's ridiculous.
Which is again why I will reference the founders. Not that they are an authority, but you are pretending that my argument is based on ignorance. You have no proof of that. I can't (well don't care to) prove what I have told you about my studies, but it is the truth. So...

Many of the founders had similiar views and no one doubts their knowledge of the subject matter. For instance, Jefferson studied the bible in both Aramaic and Hebrew. Have you done so? I have read more than most, but can't claim that kind of knowledge.

Of course, that is not proof of my argument or Jefferson's but it is proof that it is not necessarily a position based on ignorance. You are just blowing hot air anyway,as you offer no argument to support your assertion.

So then you are arguing that Christ is not the Messiah and that the Bible is not the inerrant word of God...glad to get THAT straightened out :eye roll:

Jefferson was a Deist, which means he denied the Trinity. He was heavily influenced not by Hebrew or Aramaic studies, but by studying under other Trinity deniers, mostly of the Unitarian church.

The theology of Biblical Christianity is rock solid and has withstood numerous heresies for the past 2 thousand years and it will continue to do so.

I have done numerous, literally thousands of word studies in Hebrew and Greek. I know enough to know that you have absolutely NO clue to that which you argue against.

The truly great theologians were men such as Hus; Zwingli; Wycliffe; Calvin; Luther; and Augustine. These men were master researchers and devoted their entire lives to the study of God and the Bible ...not merely as some sort of a hobby. They were well versed in the original languages...
 
This "can mean"...

The reality is you work to stretch something that doesn't mention it to fit. When Paul speaks on the subject he makes it clear. Jesus did not speak directly to homosexuality. "Could include" isn't the same thing as "does"...

This is why understanding language is important, it is also best to understand that Christ spoke in Aramaic, not Greek.

Look, I'm not arguing that Christianity doesn't think it is a "sin", I am simply pointing out with accuracy that Christ never spoke directly of homosexuality in any of the Gospels, even those rejected at Nicea.

I am stretching NOTHING! Christ, in Mathew's gospel, was speaking both to his own diciples, again Jews who were studied in the Hebrew Scriptures and to the Pharisees, what we would call today Rabbi's. These men understood that homosexuality was a sin and against God's law with regards to fornication. Using the term porneia, would encompass ALL sexual sins, including homosexuality! In other words, his audience did not need to be schooled.

Paul used the exact same term pornia when discussing men laying with men. That is why I gave all of the biblical references for you to compare...

Paul's audience were the Roman's. Their culture was rife with all imaginable sexual sins...They were not familiar with any of the Jewish laws or custom, that is why Paul needed to spell it out.

Christ did speak in aramaic, but the NT scriptures were first written down in Greek with only a smattering of aramaic. The aramaic word onzmd pronounced D'aMZaNeA is equal to the Greek translation porneia.
 
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All of those were written by Paul and were not said by Jesus. Paul doesn't even claim that Jesus said them. Jesus never spoke on the issue of homosexuality in any of the Gospels, which are the only books that have His words.

Incidentally, there is also no mention of homosexuality in any of the rejected "Gospels".

I am clear and 100% correct when I state that Jesus never spoke on the issue of homosexuality.
He didn't broach the issue because it was clear to His contemporaries that gay was an abhorrent sin, and is stated so in the Torah well before the time of Moses. The issue needed no clarification.
 
You may be right, I was thinking it was Jesus. Nevertheless, Jesus did speak out against sexual indulgences. Also, the OT says that God Himself proclaimed homosexuality an 'abomination'. To many religious folk, God kinda trumps Jesus.

Just sayin...
God IS Jesus... according to believers.
 
You may be right, I was thinking it was Jesus. Nevertheless, Jesus did speak out against sexual indulgences. Also, the OT says that God Himself proclaimed homosexuality an 'abomination'. To many religious folk, God kinda trumps Jesus.

Just sayin...

Many religious folks, like Jews?
 
Torah well before the time of Moses? What?
Since homosexuality perverts the design of Creation, and renders God’s purpose of procreation moot, we know that the claim of some homosexuals that they were “born homosexual” is a myth. God NEVER creates anything that interferes with His purpose and design. The only thing homosexuals were born with was the ability to decide to sin, and give way to a perverse lust, or to walk with the Lord.
Take a look at some of the foundations of Creation.
Genesis 1:11 says, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth; and it was so.” (Quotes are from the KJV)
Verse 12 reads, “And the earth brought forth grass, and the herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind; and God saw that it was good.”
Now we move to the creation of mankind. Genesis 1:26, 27 says, “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.”
The foundational rule was everything reproducing “after his kind.” Nowhere was there a suggestion of any variance in this rule. Homosexuals do not reproduce. They kill the whole reproductive process.
Following the fall of Adam and Eve, and their removal from the Garden of Eden, Satan began perverting the purposes of God in the human race. The very first reference to a homosexual act in Scripture occurs when Ham, the son of Noah, went into his father’s tent while Noah was in a drunken stupor, and “saw the nakedness of his father.” (see Genesis 9:22)
While somewhat euphemistic, this phrase is a Hebrew metaphor which literally means to engage in illicit sex with. The phrase appears other places in Scripture, but this incidence is quite telling.
Verse 24 of the same chapter says, “And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.”
This was not a case of Ham simply stumbling into his father’s tent and accidentally finding him naked. His act toward his father had lifetime consequences that extended to every generation that came forth from his loins.
Since Ham already had a son, Canaan, Noah could not cut off the seed coming forth from his son, so he said, “Cursed be Canaan: a servant of servants shall he be to his brethren.” (verse 25)
The further consequence of Ham’s sin of homosexuality is illustrated in the fact that the seven sons of Canaan each fathered tribes that became nations occupying all of what generally became known as the land of Canaan. Those seven nations were identified as the Hittites, the Jebusites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, and the Canaanites. The curse of Noah upon Ham’s seed was, in reality, God’s curse; and in Deuteronomy 7:1, 2, the Lord says to Moses, “When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whiter thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them: thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them; Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son……”
From Regner A. Capener.

Torah: the first five books of the Bible: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.
 
Actually, homosexuality is cause by hormone activity in the developing brain. It is believed that stress hormones in the mother can cause a feminization of a brain in a male baby. so maybe when there is a lot of stress in an environment, men being born gay is god population control. Maybe that's the design.
 
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