Man With Long Hair Crushing Female Competitors at Penn
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What, complain and be judged not woke?
That is not what they want, they want to win period!
Althea
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That's a little sad if you think about it.
Geeko Sportivo
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If we were talking about a contact sport, I think men should only be allowed on Men teams.
However, other sports? I'm not so sure having a man on your team is a given advantage, after reading reports such as the following!
https://www.active.com/swimming/articles/men-vs-women-in-endurance-sports
Based on preliminary comparative research findings by Open Water Source, it was found that women compete very well against men—and many times better than them—in the open water swimming world. In fact, it appears that open water swimming is unique among the world's various athletic competitions. In particular, in the marathon swimming world, not only are women holding their own against their male counterparts, but they are also waiting on shore for the men to finish.
Men vs. Women In The Endurance Sports World
In the endurance sports world, the total number of athletes who compete in triathlons and open water swims remains skewed towards men. Both in triathlons in America and open water swims around the world, the percentage of participants in both sports are about the same (63 percent men versus 37 percent women).
In the marathon running world, the ratio of male participants to female participants is about 60 percent men to 40 percent women.
In the running world, the average male time of four hours and 29 minutes remains faster than the average female time of four hours and 59 minutes.
At the highest echelons of the sport, the women's best time in the marathon only placed her 473 on the 2009 performance list for men and 3205 in history.
Triathlon
In the sport of triathlon, while the top women and the average women are gradually closing the differential gap, there are still significant differences in performance.
For example, in the full Ironman triathlon, the average times of men versus women by age category are as follows.
Men Vs. Women at Ironman Triathlon
Where Open Water Swimming Differs
But open water swimming appears to be different. Women do appear to perform better relative to their male counterparts, especially as the distances increase.
Open Water Source analyzed the official times of athletes in various open water swims including the one-mile RCP Tiburon Mile, the 10K Little Red Lighthouse Swim and the Catalina Channel.
As the distances increase, the women get better and better relative to their male colleagues, but at all distances, the comparative differences are small.
Marathon Swims
In particular, the average time of women in the Catalina Channel is seven minutes faster than the average time for men. What is notable is that the overall records in both directions are held by women (Penny Dean from mainland-to-Catalina in 7:15:55 and Karen Burton from Catalina-to-mainland in 7:37:31).
Because men and women do not swim at the same time during Catalina Channel swims, the analysis also looked at marathon swims where men and women swim together such as the 24-mile Tampa Bay Marathon Swim (years 2000—2010) and the 28.5-mile Manhattan Island Marathon Swim (years 2009 and 2010).
Around the rivers of New York City, the women—on average—reign supreme with an average time of nearly 15 minutes faster (8 hours and 21minutes for the women to 8 hours and 36 minutes for the men).
A ten-year analysis of Tampa Bay results shows an exception to these preliminary findings: the men reached shore first with an average time nearly 23 minutes faster than the women (11:00.9 to 11:23.2).
Tampa Bay Results
The presentation of data can always be interpreted in a variety of ways, but it is important to note that the average age of women in the marathon swimming world is younger than the men (33.7 versus 41.5 years in Manhattan Island and 34.5 versus 41.0 in Tampa Bay).
Olympic Competition
Among world-class athletes, the world's fastest men are faster than the world's fastest women. Several comparisons of the average time of professional marathon swimmers at the Olympics and professional marathon races of various distances demonstrate this fact.
Olympic Swim Times
Competitiveness at Short-Distance and Middle-Distance Events
Even at short-distance events—like the RCP Tiburon Mile in the cold San Francisco Bay—and middle-distance events—like the Little Red Lighthouse Swim in the fast-moving Hudson River in New York—women perform very well against the men. Open Water Source looked at the results of various divisions of the 2010 RCP Tiburon Mile and the 2009 and 2010 Little Red Lighthouse Swims in New York:
RCP Tiburon Mile and Little Red Lighthouse Swim Results
Open Water Swimming
If one ignores the differences at the world-class level, it is interesting to look at the data and see how open water swimming—and marathon swimming in particular—may be unique among the world's sports. Based on the data, it appears that open water swimming may be the most competitive amateur sport when men and women race together.
However, other sports? I'm not so sure having a man on your team is a given advantage, after reading reports such as the following!
https://www.active.com/swimming/articles/men-vs-women-in-endurance-sports
Based on preliminary comparative research findings by Open Water Source, it was found that women compete very well against men—and many times better than them—in the open water swimming world. In fact, it appears that open water swimming is unique among the world's various athletic competitions. In particular, in the marathon swimming world, not only are women holding their own against their male counterparts, but they are also waiting on shore for the men to finish.
Men vs. Women In The Endurance Sports World
In the endurance sports world, the total number of athletes who compete in triathlons and open water swims remains skewed towards men. Both in triathlons in America and open water swims around the world, the percentage of participants in both sports are about the same (63 percent men versus 37 percent women).
In the marathon running world, the ratio of male participants to female participants is about 60 percent men to 40 percent women.
In the running world, the average male time of four hours and 29 minutes remains faster than the average female time of four hours and 59 minutes.
At the highest echelons of the sport, the women's best time in the marathon only placed her 473 on the 2009 performance list for men and 3205 in history.
Triathlon
In the sport of triathlon, while the top women and the average women are gradually closing the differential gap, there are still significant differences in performance.
For example, in the full Ironman triathlon, the average times of men versus women by age category are as follows.
Men Vs. Women at Ironman Triathlon
Where Open Water Swimming Differs
But open water swimming appears to be different. Women do appear to perform better relative to their male counterparts, especially as the distances increase.
Open Water Source analyzed the official times of athletes in various open water swims including the one-mile RCP Tiburon Mile, the 10K Little Red Lighthouse Swim and the Catalina Channel.
As the distances increase, the women get better and better relative to their male colleagues, but at all distances, the comparative differences are small.
Marathon Swims
In particular, the average time of women in the Catalina Channel is seven minutes faster than the average time for men. What is notable is that the overall records in both directions are held by women (Penny Dean from mainland-to-Catalina in 7:15:55 and Karen Burton from Catalina-to-mainland in 7:37:31).
Because men and women do not swim at the same time during Catalina Channel swims, the analysis also looked at marathon swims where men and women swim together such as the 24-mile Tampa Bay Marathon Swim (years 2000—2010) and the 28.5-mile Manhattan Island Marathon Swim (years 2009 and 2010).
Around the rivers of New York City, the women—on average—reign supreme with an average time of nearly 15 minutes faster (8 hours and 21minutes for the women to 8 hours and 36 minutes for the men).
A ten-year analysis of Tampa Bay results shows an exception to these preliminary findings: the men reached shore first with an average time nearly 23 minutes faster than the women (11:00.9 to 11:23.2).
Tampa Bay Results
The presentation of data can always be interpreted in a variety of ways, but it is important to note that the average age of women in the marathon swimming world is younger than the men (33.7 versus 41.5 years in Manhattan Island and 34.5 versus 41.0 in Tampa Bay).
Olympic Competition
Among world-class athletes, the world's fastest men are faster than the world's fastest women. Several comparisons of the average time of professional marathon swimmers at the Olympics and professional marathon races of various distances demonstrate this fact.
Olympic Swim Times
Competitiveness at Short-Distance and Middle-Distance Events
Even at short-distance events—like the RCP Tiburon Mile in the cold San Francisco Bay—and middle-distance events—like the Little Red Lighthouse Swim in the fast-moving Hudson River in New York—women perform very well against the men. Open Water Source looked at the results of various divisions of the 2010 RCP Tiburon Mile and the 2009 and 2010 Little Red Lighthouse Swims in New York:
RCP Tiburon Mile and Little Red Lighthouse Swim Results
Open Water Swimming
If one ignores the differences at the world-class level, it is interesting to look at the data and see how open water swimming—and marathon swimming in particular—may be unique among the world's sports. Based on the data, it appears that open water swimming may be the most competitive amateur sport when men and women race together.
Maybe they will be another trans swimmer or runner in the race.
..but technically, you're correct....Sirthinksalot
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I appreciate that you acknowledged biological males shouldn't be allowed in women's contact sports, however:
From your post, the only sport where women outperform men is Open Water swimming. This probably went over your head, but open water swimming is different from swimming in a pool and it also involves much greater distances than pool swimming.
And in case you missed it as you were trying so hard to support the party line, your article included this little nugget.:
The presentation of data can always be interpreted in a variety of ways, but it is important to note that the average age of women in the marathon swimming world is younger than the men (33.7 versus 41.5 years in Manhattan Island and 34.5 versus 41.0 in Tampa Bay).
The women were being compared to male athletes who were over 40 and significantly older than the women.
You know why.
Geeko Sportivo
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Dude, my efforts here were to take the politics and gay bashing out of the subject matter of sports in general and just stick to the laws of nature.
It has nothing to do with me toeing any political party line and I despise your inclination that I did, BASED ON WHAT I POSTED!
I am sorry that my posting the OPed did not play into your TRUMPTARDED Political and Gay bashing narratives!
Shame on me!
Perhaps you are from the old school women bashing school of thought that a "Women can always run faster with her skirt up than a Man can with his pants down" mentality.
I think you should just go ahead and change your handle to SIR OVERTHINKS A LOT!
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Sirthinksalot
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Transgenderism and gayness are not the same. No one is gay bashing or even trans bashing. Your post appeared to be arguing that maleness isn't an advantage in sports, but there was only one example where it wasn't. And in that example the women were being compared to men who were significantly older.
Trans women are biologically male and should not be allowed to participate in women's sports, even if it hurts their feelings.
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
These are areas where my woke friends here on the left haven't necesarily formulated convincing arguments.
Geeko Sportivo
Verified User
No, I never said, nor did the report from Open Water Sources say that maleness is- or is not- an advantage in all sports.
This was just a report that established a point- that in some swimming events- women hold their own to men. And they described which events they were referring to.
Swimming is swimming dude- no matter whether you are swimming through a SHARK TANK or a swimming pool!
And I also established a major point that many competitive swimming events, such as Open Water Swimming events, are already made up of woman and men both swimming together in the same events!
So this is not as big a thing as you are making it out to be- SIROVERTHINKSALOT!
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Althea
Althea told me...
Geeko Sportivo
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I've never had a problem with having the female sports teams and male sports teams concept.
If women were limited to just competing against men in sports, few would ever participate.
Men tend to be naturally larger, stronger, and more muscular than women in general.
And as I said before, in Contact Sports this contrast could become even dangerous to women to have to be able to compete with men.
Is being a male in a swimming event that much of an advantage? I don't know- that it is or isn't- so I'll leave that up to the pros to decide this.
Diving events? That may be another discussion.