Make the Fathers Pay

ZappasGuitar said:
Unfortunately, SCOTUS just determined women are NOT ALLOWED to have a "financial abortion".

If we are going to force women to carry every pregnancy to term, then we must REQUIRE men to submit to a DNA test to determine paternity.
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wow - you are a retard

SCOTUS rules that they don't have the power to decide - and said the states decide. that is all

but this completely ignores the fact that the women is not forced to raise the child - are you so retarded you are unaware of adoption agencies? your entire thread here is based on a falsehood - it is comically stupid :laugh:
 
zymurgy said:
wow - you are a retard

SCOTUS rules that they don't have the power to decide - and said the states decide. that is all

but this completely ignores the fact that the women is not forced to raise the child - are you so retarded you are unaware of adoption agencies? your entire thread here is based on a falsehood - it is comically stupid :laugh:
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So according to you, the woman has two choices.

Either raise the child alone and assume ALL financial responsibility.

Or give the child up for adoption.

What if the woman wants to keep the child, but can't afford the financial burden on her own, then what?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
So according to you, the woman has two choices.

Either raise the child alone and assume ALL financial responsibility.

Or give the child up for adoption.

What if the woman wants to keep the child, but can't afford the financial burden on her own, then what?
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I propose both parties have a window to escape their mistake - 15 weeks seems fair. The father can inform the women he is giving the baby up for adoption - and renouncing his rights and responsibilities. He will have to assist with costs to carry to term and that is all.

Now the mother, armed with knowledge - can decide herself what she intends to do. She can go it alone or she can give it up for adoption, or find a state that allows abortion
 
zymurgy said:
what about the costs of a false paternity test? After you name me and make me take a test and I am not the father, what is my compensation?
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Damo said it best:

Damocles said:
Not really, you make them pay for it if they "guess" wrong, it will stop most false accusations. The reality is, this isn't onerous, and we need to ensure that folks that create life pay for that life. Responsibility for the life doesn't end with the woman. As a bonus, most men would know that the child they are paying for is actually theirs. Currently a simple lawsuit can cause men to pay for children that aren't even DNA related, especially if they are married.
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Damocles said:
I am arguing the position of responsibility. Folks who create life should have to pay for that life, those who object should be forced to take that responsibility. Forcing one party in the transaction to be solely responsible is disgusting. And no, it does not necessarily need to be government, as I noted earlier. In fact I would only support this if the government never had access to the information used to determine this. (They don't get to have a DNA database of every American).
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zymurgy said:
what about the costs of a false paternity test? After you name me and make me take a test and I am not the father, what is my compensation?
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If you are responsible for it then you need to pay. If you say that her word isn't enough then you can contribute some evidence that it wasn't you and we'll test for free. We would need an independent group that would destroy records, like we do with gun checks. We don't need Jerry Springer for that.

Your actions have consequences. Arguing that men shouldn't support life they created because you simply refuse to believe what they say is not a good argument, it isn't conservative, and is a childlike moronic statement where you get all the pleasure with none of the consequences. That's rubbish and you know it.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
If you are responsible for it then you need to pay. If you say that her word isn't enough then you can contribute some evidence that it wasn't you and we'll test for free. We would need an independent group that would destroy records, like we do with gun checks. We don't need Jerry Springer for that.

Your actions have consequences. Arguing that men shouldn't support life they created because you simply refuse to believe what they say is not a good argument, it isn't conservative, and is a childlike moronic statement where you get all the pleasure with none of the consequences. That's rubbish and you know it.
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If a woman accuses a man and he chooses to be tested to prove his innocence and he is innocent then the woman that falsely accused him should have to pay for the testing.
 
ExpressLane said:
If a woman accuses a man and he chooses to be tested to prove his innocence and he is innocent then the woman that falsely accused him should have to pay for the testing.
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and his time. and possibly a punitive sum for being a stupid mouth breather that apparently fucks around so much she has no clue
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Except abortion is off the table in numerous states at this point.

If we are going to require women to carry every pregnancy to term, then we must require the men who helped create the fetus to pay 50%.
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So? Child support is a state issue too. Let each state fix theirs to fit their abortion laws.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
If you are responsible for it then you need to pay. If you say that her word isn't enough then you can contribute some evidence that it wasn't you and we'll test for free. We would need an independent group that would destroy records, like we do with gun checks. We don't need Jerry Springer for that.

Your actions have consequences. Arguing that men shouldn't support life they created because you simply refuse to believe what they say is not a good argument, it isn't conservative, and is a childlike moronic statement where you get all the pleasure with none of the consequences. That's rubbish and you know it.
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You understand the Democrat constituency is not onboard with that right? The whole left wing ideology? If you are serious about this you would embrace nueterrng anyone who votes to the left.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Damo,



It is an interesting idea; which raises questions.

How would this agency get paid for?

How secure would the records of the independent agency be? Every database is subject to being hacked. What would prevent the government from using the agency records in the attempt to solve crimes or for national security? All that would be required is a court order for the records to be turned over to the government.

Regardless, I cannot support mandatory DNA testing without a specific court order.

No citizen should be required to submit to that or anything without just cause.
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My bet is it would be paid by contract through HHS, Child services would get the required court orders, and the same way the database for guns is "safe", through mandatory destruction of records. If you get a gun, they do a background check, but are ordered to destroy that record after a period of time. Hacking that database would be mostly useless... Only a very small dataset would be available.

Let's be part of a solution, rather than part of the problem.
 
Hello Damo,

Damocles said:
My bet is it would be paid by contract through HHS, Child services would get the required court orders, and the same way the database for guns is "safe", through mandatory destruction of records. If you get a gun, they do a background check, but are ordered to destroy that record after a period of time. Hacking that database would be mostly useless... Only a very small dataset would be available.

Let's be part of a solution, rather than part of the problem.
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No, I still don't like it. It's intrusive. A violation of privacy. Violation of the 4th, to be secure in person. Freedom of choice is a better idea. If people are being irresponsible and making bad choices that means we need a better education system.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Men should now be legally required to start paying child support the minute there’s a positive pregnancy test.

If you consider a cluster of cells a child, then you are legally obligated to support it, right?

If I was a Democrat congressman/woman in DC, first thing Monday I would introduce legislation calling for MANDATORY DNA identification to determine the paternity of every child born in the USA going forward.

Lets see who in DC REALLY wants to support children.
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That is a good idea. Sadly from what I have seen on the talk shows many of these pregnant women don't have a clue who the father is.
 
I have a different spin,the government wants to force a woman to have a baby!
Then the government is on the hook to pay to raise the childs expenses till 18.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Damo,



No, I still don't like it. It's intrusive. A violation of privacy. Violation of the 4th, to be secure in person. Freedom of choice is a better idea. If people are being irresponsible and making bad choices that means we need a better education system.
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Utopia doesn't exist, Idiot.
 
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