Immanuel
Junior Member
Was that directed at me?
I'm not outraged. I simply think he owes the members of the American military an apology.
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Was that directed at me?
I'm not outraged. I simply think he owes the members of the American military an apology.
Immie
Immanuel
Junior Member
I do believe this one denigrated American troops. He basically stated that they were all there raping and pillaging which is not true.
Why is it wrong for me to state that I believe he owes members of the American military an apology?
By the way, lest we forget, our soldiers have not chosen to go to Japan or Germany. They have been sent there by their superiors. The way Mr. Maher said it, was that the soldiers chose to be there so that they could rape women.
It was a tasteless joke. Does that mean I'm pissed at him for making it? No, he flubbed a joke... big deal. He still owes our soldiers an apology.
And what is wrong with apologizing any way? When you screw up, it is always best to say you are sorry first.
Immie
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meadowmuffins....the joke was absolutely about rape, there are no doubt numerous other crimes that he could have joked about, but no, he specifically mentioned rape....
i don't about PC stuff...but making fun of rape is beyond the pale and to make fun our soldiers for raping people is beyond the pale. apparently you have no understanding of class and decency.
ib1yysguy
Junior Member
Adam is the most decent, classy guy on this site. You, on the other hand, need to go back to Yardank County or wherever you came from with your mate in tow.
maineman
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I agree... on all counts.
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you both are whiners....
and i believe ibestupid already thinks rape is funny....so who cares what you think
and i guess i can void all agreements about trust huh maineman....liar...you really had to post that, you really had to continue the feud all over the board....
Adam Weinberg
Goldwater Republican
Congrats, I actually had to use Urban Dictionary for that one.
It's not his job to be classy. It's his job to be funny, and as an aside he makes comments about important issues.
Would I say to a group of soldiers "Hey, did y'all rape any Japanese people today?" of course not. That's rude and denigrates the soldiers and their service. But this is a joke told by a comedian. You can't tell me for sure that nobody in the military laughed at the joke, maybe some soldiers agree with what he's saying. Which I'll expand on now.
I don't think the joke is about rape. It's funny, risque, and it "goes there" because it mentions rape as the purpose of the troops being there. Consider the reality, which is that these episodes are one of the most notable things to be reported from U.S. bases in those countries. We haven't exactly fought a war in Japan or Germany in a while...and that's the point of the joke.
We could also now tell jokes about Bill Clinton's involvement in the banking system collapse, but I think most people are still satisfied with jokes about his sexual misadventures.
Remember the first half of Maher's joke where he said "Forget bringing the troops home from Iraq, let's bring them home from World War II. Why do we have..." That's the context of everything else he said.
By the way, I don't think rape is funny. I think a well told joke involving rape can be funny. I think a clown raping someone on a TV show skit is funny.
I also don't think an extramarital affair, or more seriously, war, STDs, famine, or dictatorships like Soviet Russia are funny, but there are excellent jokes about all these things.
And you're absolutely entitled to be mad. It's your right and it's our right to disagree. But one, I think it's a misinterpretation that people in the right-wing (which is not a pejorative term for me) web media want you to continue to misinterpret, and two, I think it's silly that anyone thinks this outrage would be used for any practical political purpose.
Bill Maher has no political power. And he certainly isn't a shill for the Democrats, based on what he's saying. He is influencing our society without question, but this is something conservatives should understand how to take advantage of rather than shun. Clearly, Bill Maher is not against having conservatives and libertarians on his show as well. He does all the time and lets them express their views.
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Congrats, I actually had to use Urban Dictionary for that one.
I dunno, I don't think the joke is about rape. It's funny, risque, and it "goes there" because it mentions rape as the purpose of the troops being there. Consider the reality, which is that these episodes are one of the most notable things to be reported from U.S. bases in those countries. We haven't exactly fought a war in Japan or Germany in a while...and that's the point of the joke.
We could also now tell jokes about Bill Clinton's involvement in the banking system collapse, but I think most people are still satisfied with jokes about his sexual misadventures.
Remember the first half of Maher's joke where he said "Forget bringing the troops home from Iraq, let's bring them home from World War II. Why do we have..." That's the context of everything else he said.
By the way, I don't think rape is funny. I think a well told joke involving rape can be funny. I think a clown raping someone on a TV show skit is funny.
I also don't think war, STDs, famine, or dictatorships like Soviet Russia are funny, but there are excellent jokes about all these things.
And you're absolutely entitled to be mad. It's your right and it's our right to disagree. But one, I think it's a misinterpretation that people in the right-wing (which is not a pejorative term for me) web media want you to continue to misinterpret, and two, I think it's silly that anyone thinks this outrage would be used for any practical political purpose.
Bill Maher has no political power. And he certainly isn't a shill for the Democrats, based on what he's saying. He is influencing our society without question, but this is something conservatives should understand how to take advantage of rather than shun. Clearly, Bill Maher is not against having conservatives and libertarians on his show as well. He does all the time and lets them express their views.
i have read zero media regarding this matter. the only thing i have seen or heard about this is from this site. i played the video and formed my own opinion. the joke was poor taste and his point would have had more credibility had he not dived into the gutter. however, i will agree that we are both entitled to "my" opinion, so i am right....j/k...
Adam Weinberg
Goldwater Republican
It's not. I apologize if I made it seem like you shouldn't be able to choose how you feel about it.
But I don't think the joke does say that. The whole point of the joke is to make ridicule of a pointless thing. The only way to show how pointless this might be is to knowingly attribute an incorrect purpose and then see how people react.
I think if anything the real sad result would be for outrage over the joke to overshadow the important point he was making about the United States being spread across the world.
Immanuel
Junior Member
No, need to apologize, Adam. I was not offended by your comments. Just trying to express my own on the subject. You said, "People on the right who complain all too often about how political correctness is destroying America show their own hypocrisy when they can't take a joke or let people just say what's on their mind." I feel that people on the right have as much right to display their displeasure with the comments as those on the left have to support it.
I didn't like the joke. I felt it was tasteless. I also feel that if we cannot laugh at jokes made about us then we have no sense of humor. I just felt that this joke was out of place. Our soldiers who are stationed in Germany are their because they have been ordered there. They did not chose to go there, but they were sent there. If the joke had been about those who sent them there, it would have made sense to me. In this case, I just think it was a poor subject for a joke.
I'm not at all calling for Bill's head. I'm sure that I will turn on his show some time again in the future and laugh at one of his jokes. This one, however, didn't sit well with me.
Well, of course, a joke always has a "hidden" meaning, an allusion. I didn't miss the allusion in the joke. However, as I said, he joked about the soldiers who are there on orders from the politicians who dictate there every move.
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