Louisiana about to impose road tax on EV's

[Into the Night]

This is how not to attract new business or vacationers to your state!

No Gas- No Squeegy!

Hilarious!

Makes no difference to ICE users.

 

[Into the Night]

EV's have tremendous advantages over the combustion engine,

What? Be specific.

but then again we shouldn't expect any brilliance from the lady who told us, about million deaths ago, that Covid was no different than the common cold,

What lady? Be specific.

 

[Into the Night]

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/many-advantages-evs-make-never-want-buy-gas-powered-car/

Cutting and pasting sales literature isn't going to cut it. What advantages do YOU see in EV's? Just give one for now if you wish. What do you see is the biggest advantage?

 

[Into the Night]

Can they tow my 5th wheel?

No. A Tesla model 3, for example, can't even tow an EMPTY light utility trailer. It over grosses the car.

 

[Into the Night]

Let's see. They list these:

Less maintenance Not true. Tesla is one of the least reliable cars on the road.


https://luxurycarsa2z.com/is-tesla-...ch features, comfort, performance, and safety.

High-level performance at a comparatively cheaper price

Not true either. EV's generally cost more than comparable ICE cars do.

Easy to drive No easier or harder to drive than an ICE vehicle. This is just a non sequitur.

Quiet ride and less noise pollution Barely.


https://getjerry.com/questions/how-much-quieter-are-electric-cars

Higher efficiency Vague to the point of meaningless. Higher efficiency than what and in what ways?

Off-road capabilities Bullshit! There is no advantage in an EV in off-road capability.

Federal Tax Credit This is not something related to the vehicle itself, it's just getting OPM in the form of a government bribe to buy one.

Access to High-Occupancy Vehicle (HOV) lanes Another bribe by the government not related to the vehicle.

Lower ownership costs Actually, this is a lie. It costs more to own an EV over the life of the vehicle

https://insideevs.com/news/586195/t...del 3 RWD,$0.63 per mile 2021 TCO vs 2020 TCO

Better for the environment Again, not an innate advantage over an ICE vehicle unless you happen to give a shit about the environment.

Quite right. All of it.

The Tesla is the most recalled car brand there is.
They are expensive...almost twice as expensive as comparable ICE vehicles.
They drive the same, but they cannot tow anything.
Driving an EV off road is dangerous. The battery is subject to easy damage. Once damaged, fire is likely.

 

[Into the Night]

They cannot enforce that with visitors. The tax will no doubt be added to your registration cost.

What's to enforce? Visitors will typically rent an ICE car.

 

[Into the Night]

Most manufacturers list respectable tow ratings for their EV trucks. Rivian, for instance, says the R1T can pull 11,000 pounds. Properly equipped, Ford says, an F-150 Lighting can tow 10,000.

Not very far.

Oh...Ford lost a TON of money on the Rivian.

I'll keep ICE truck. It tows just as much as the Lightning (which isn't available yet), and I can tow it all day long without recharging it for hours.

 

[Into the Night]

Total bullshit of course

Look, Florida Man, this sort of thing never happens in Florida????

Right.

 

[Into the Night]

I am just saying when a state rebels and becomes Politically against new technologies like Electric cars as a whole, they would eventually not allow for the Charging Stations or the sale of such vehicles there. There would be no infrastructure for electric cars there.

Business would choose not to re-locate and move their employees there in a state that is moving backwards and not forward- and it would eventually kill tourism to their state!

People would move to more sane and modern states that had more options available for them.

The State is not rebelling. They are simply taxing EV cars a road tax, since they don't buy gasoline and get taxed that way.

Whiner.

 

[Into the Night]

Just like there was ZERO technological reason we need to go to cordless tools?

Sorry, but while you're entitled to your denials, I'll stick with NASA's assessment.

NASA worship. NASA has nothing to do with this conversation.

 

[Into the Night]

Wrong again. Cordless tools eliminate extension cords and the need for a generator or other power source on a construction site. The convenience of those greatly increases their usefulness. That doesn't extend to vehicles though. There is no advantage to a battery car, and there are several obvious disadvantages.

Battery car disadvantages:

Battery life
Inability to carry extra charge--limits them to locations where charging is available
Charge time
Issues with accessing a charging point.

Don't forget that charging them generally requires a power plant that is probably burning oil or natural gas to run it.

 

[Into the Night]

National Aeronautics and Space Administration is your friend.

No, it isn't. NASA is a government agency. It is not a God. It is not a friend.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Don't forget that charging them generally requires a power plant that is probably burning oil or natural gas to run it.

I think you are going to be shocked when you learn how many oil fired electricity plants America has.

 

[Into the Night]

Fortunately, those with EV's wind up paying a lot less over the life of their car than people with comparable vehicles that use internal combustion engines. $110/year won't negate that.

Take the Mini Cooper, as an example, since there are directly comparable combustion and EV versions.

EV:
Price $30,750
-$7,500 federal tax incentive
-$2,500 Louisiana tax credit
Five years maintenance $4,950
Five-year Fuel cost: $3,232
- remaining value (purchase price less 5 years depreciation): $9,863
Louisiana Road Tax, 5 years: $550

Total cost of five years of ownership: $19,619


Gas-powered:
Price $24,250
Five years maintenance $6,398
Five-year Fuel cost (assuming $4/gallon and 15k per year) $9,600
- remaining value (purchase price less 5 years depreciation): $8,020

Total cost of five years of ownership: $32,228

So, even with the road tax, you'll be shelling out about 64% more over five years to own that internal-combustion-engine. From a personal finance perspective, that's a poor decision, but some people are willing to pay a premium for the satisfaction of knowing that they're doing their part to destroy the environment.

https://vincentric.com/Home/Industry-Reports/Vincentric-Segment-Analysis-Ownership-Costs
https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a32494027/ev-vs-gas-cheaper-to-own/

That said, what I'd like to see is a move to GPS-based road taxes. Basically, treat all roads as if they were toll roads, and simply distribute the expected costs of maintaining and patrolling each road across their actual users, so that you pay for what you use (possibly with an adjustment based on vehicle weight, since bigger vehicles cause more wear and tear).

The advantage of that would be that it would cut back on the huge subsidy the currently goes to rural people. Costs to maintain roads, per vehicle mile, are much, much higher in areas where roads aren't used as much.... since much of the deterioration of a road is caused by weather and time, and that portion will happen to the same degree whether there's 100 cars using that road per day, or 100,000. That means when taxes to fund roads are paid for by way of what is effectively a per-mile tax (like gas taxes), people who mostly drive on heavily-trafficked roads are overpaying, while those who mostly drive on sparsely traveled roads are underpaying.

The federal tax incentive is communism. Why should I pay for YOUR car?
The Louisiana tax credit is communism. Why should I pay for YOUR car?
You are making up numbers on maintenance costs.
You are making up numbers on resale value.
You are making up numbers on fuel costs.
You are making up numbers on the cost of road maintenance.

Argument from randU fallacy.

 

[Hawkeye10]

The Regressives want to go to location tracking on demand pricing for every mile and they set the rates on an equity agenda, otherwise gain the increased power to reward and punish.

Hell No.

 

[Into the Night]

The advantage, aside from lower cost for the consumer,

EVs are more expensive. A lot more expensive.

is the environmental impact.

What environmental impact? Meaningless phrase. Buzzword fallacy.

With battery-driven cars, the energy comes in part from low- or zero-carbon generation,

Methane is a hydrocarbon. So is oil. Coal is carbon.

meaning less fossil fuel

Fossils aren't used for fuel. Fossils don't burn.

contribution per vehicle mile. Moreover, with battery-driven cars, there is less particulate pollution

What particulate pollution? Meaningless phrase. Buzzword fallacy.

and chemical pollution

What chemical pollution? Meaningless phrase. Buzzword fallacy.

going into our neighborhoods (even when it's ultimately powered by fossil fuels

Fossils aren't used for fuel.

at the generator level,

Generators are not a level.

that's more likely to be an ultra-efficient combined cycle natural gas station,

Burning natural gas to convert to electric power is lossy. Converting that electric power to chemical energy is lossy. Converting that chemical energy back to mechanical energy is lossy. Waste heat occurs at every step and every time you convert energy from one form to another.
ICE cars convert chemical energy into mechanical energy directly. Less loss.

where the exhaust not only gets scrubbed much more effectively before going into the air,

Natural gas plants do not need to scrub anything.

but also tends to go up high smoke stacks and get washed out before winding up in people's lungs the way that happens if the exhaust is being spewed right on roads next to where people live.

What's wrong with exhaust?

There's also less noise pollution with electric vehicles.

No. They are really not that much quieter.

Although some road noise is from tires on roads and wind resistance, and that happens either way, electric vehicles tend to be MUCH quieter overall, especially at lower speeds.

No. They are not that much quieter.

I once lived in an apartment complex sitting next to a stroad with a traffic light, and the traffic noise as people accelerated out of that light could be terrible (especially with motorcycles, big trucks, and sports cars).

They are telling you they are not going to buy an electric car.

Electric vehicles are nearly silent when doing that.

So are most cars when they accelerate. Big hairy deal.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Oh, Ford claims their EV trucks can power your house in the event of a blackout. I think I'll stick with a gasoline generator that can run 8 hours on a tank of gas and really can power the whole house.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Some people are doing just that, to avoid high fuel prices.

Mantra 42(a)1(f)

 

[Dutch Uncle]

No, it isn't. NASA is a government agency. It is not a God. It is not a friend.

No shit, Sybil. You don't get to talk for everyone. Only yourself.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

NASA worship. NASA has nothing to do with this conversation.

RQAA and a brown stain where you shit yourself.