LOTFI: Dear Neocons, Rand Paul Is Right On Military Spending

You are so absolutely clueless it continues to amaze.

First off it's Rand Paul not Ron Paul.

Second, do you not see who he is addressing with this post? Look at the title. He put NeoCons in the title. Look at the website he posted. It's a liberal site.

He's saying to neo-cons on the right that Rand Paul is right about military spending. He's not saying vote for Rand Paul.

I mean seriously, what is wrong with you?

watch his video you asshole
 
Thanks cawacko! And for the record, I'll vote for Bernie or Rand if either of them make it through the primaries - if neither of them make it, I'm voting a 3rd party protest vote, as I don't see another reasonable candidate than those two on foreign policy, and it's the one issue I'm most passionate about.
 
Thanks cawacko! And for the record, I'll vote for Bernie or Rand if either of them make it through the primaries - if neither of them make it, I'm voting a 3rd party protest vote, as I don't see another reasonable candidate than those two on foreign policy, and it's the one issue I'm most passionate about.

ran paul has no idea what real economic policy is.


he is a Austrian school cult member
 
Thanks cawacko! And for the record, I'll vote for Bernie or Rand if either of them make it through the primaries - if neither of them make it, I'm voting a 3rd party protest vote, as I don't see another reasonable candidate than those two on foreign policy, and it's the one issue I'm most passionate about.

I respect that and thank you for your service.

I'm a lifelong Republican however I voted for Gary Johnson in 2012. I have issues with the Republican Party but I'm just not a Democrat.

And fwiw, as has already been mentioned, evince has serious issues. If you start a thread in the future and want a good discussion on it best to keep her out. I'm not saying this from a partisan perspective because there are plenty of Democrats here worthy of talking to. She's just "special" and will f up every thread she enters.
 
And Zac, sorry for my cynicism earlier as many "new" posters show up who are just old people with new names.

I hope you stick around and continue to post. Always great to have new people and hear different opinions.
 
I’m an Iraq vet and I can’t agree more with this article. We’re over 18 trillion in debt and we can’t keep spending on things like 40 million for a gas station in Afghanistan and billions on “moderate Syrian rebels.” The Pentagon needs a full audit and our defense dollars need to be spent wisely.

Our debt is our biggest national security risk.

"During the recent Fox Business News – Wall Street Journal Republican Primary debate, United States senators Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.) had what was probably one of the most meaningful exchanges so far in the race to decide the party’s nominee for president.

Paul and Rubio traded jabs over military spending, an issue that has divided many in the Republican party, and there’s little consensus on who won the exchange. That being said, the neoconservatives like Rubio are wrong when it comes to military spending and it’s time the Republican party, as a whole, realize it.

Let’s be clear about something. When Paul says you’re not a serious conservative if you’re willing to spend another $1 trillion, on loan from China, on the Department of Defense (DOD), he says so because the DOD is rife with fraud and waste.

For example, the DOD spent $2 million dollars for every one Syrian rebel they trained. Guess what? The majority of them never showed up to fight on our behalf after being trained. That’s right, $2 million to train one person that never showed up. The DOD also spent $43 million to build one single gas station in Afghanistan, which will never be used. If that wasn’t enough, Congress recently pushed $436 million on weapons that military experts explicitly said are not needed. Should they really keep getting blank checks?"

Entire article at http://truthinmedia.com/lotfi-dear-neocons-rand-paul-military-spending

We don't have a deficit problem because of the war in Iraq or Afghanistan or due to military spending. We have a massive deficit spending problem because of mandated entitlement spending all passed by liberal democrats going back to FDR.

$2 million isn't even a minor rounding error in the current budget or debt.

I agree with Rand on ONE thing; we should always "audit" DOD spending and even the Fed. But the better question is who do we entrust this to; certainly not the politicians that legislate these outfits.

I am very suspect about the claims of a $43 million dollar gas station; that sounds like a massive exaggeration to say the least. Perhaps they meant a gas refinery?
 
prove we were not lied to war

For the millionth time; as if it would have an effect on a rabid leftist lunatic like yourself.

Democrat Quotes on WMDs:

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
 
Thanks Rana and evince! My full given name is Zakery Andrew Carter, and this is a copy of a video I made late 2007, I'm holding up my military ID at the beginning of it -
- I served from 2001-2004 active duty, and 2004-2008 in the reserves.

Not a smart idea to give out personal information on the internet.

What I am seeing here is a misguided anti-war radical who is nothing more than another "blame AmeriKa" liberal swallowing the propaganda of terrorists and liberals.

I cannot imagine anything dumber than someone equating an occupation of America as an analogy with what goes on in the ME; a region that has been "occupied" almost its entire existence.
 
Thanks cawacko! And for the record, I'll vote for Bernie or Rand if either of them make it through the primaries - if neither of them make it, I'm voting a 3rd party protest vote, as I don't see another reasonable candidate than those two on foreign policy, and it's the one issue I'm most passionate about.

Translation; you are okay with throwing your vote away on obscure third party candidates. You're not even slightly unique when it comes to internet blog posters.

But I am not surprised that you place a Marxist like Bernie in the same category as Rand.
 
And Zac, sorry for my cynicism earlier as many "new" posters show up who are just old people with new names.

I hope you stick around and continue to post. Always great to have new people and hear different opinions.

Yep, this forum needs more libertarian retards to offset the liberal ones on Just Plain Pathetic.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_School



General criticisms[edit]

Mainstream economists have argued that Austrians are often averse to the use of mathematics and statistics in economics.[71] However, independent scholar Martin Sibileau, in 2014, suggested a logics-based approach for a definitive formalization of the Austrian thought.[72]

Economist Bryan Caplan argues that many Austrians have not understood valid contributions of modern mainstream economics, causing them to overstate their differences with it. For example, Murray Rothbard stated that he objected to the use of cardinal utility in microeconomic theory. Caplan says that Rothbard did not understand the position he was attacking, because microeconomic theorists go to great pains to show that their results are derived for any monotonic transformation of an ordinal utility function, and do not entail cardinal utility.[59][73] The result is that conclusions about utility preferences hold no matter what values are assigned to them.[citation needed]

Economist Paul Krugman has stated that because Austrians do not use "explicit models" they are unaware of holes in their own thinking.[74]

Economist Benjamin Klein has criticized the economic methodological work of Austrian economist Israel M. Kirzner. While praising Kirzner for highlighting shortcomings in traditional methodology, Klein argued that Kirzner did not provide a viable alternative for economic methodology.[75] Economist Tyler Cowen has written that Kirzner's theory of entrepreneurship can ultimately be reduced to a neoclassical search model and is thus not in the radical subjectivist tradition of Austrian praxeology. Cowen states that Kirzner's entrepreneurs can be modeled in mainstream terms of search.[76]

Economist Jeffrey Sachs argues that among developed countries, those with high rates of taxation and high social welfare spending perform better on most measures of economic performance compared to countries with low rates of taxation and low social outlays. He concludes that Friedrich Hayek was wrong to argue that high levels of government spending harms an economy, and "a generous social-welfare state is not a road to serfdom but rather to fairness, economic equality and international competitiveness."[77] Austrian economist Sudha Shenoy responded by arguing that countries with large public sectors have grown more slowly.[78]

Economist Bryan Caplan has noted that Mises has been criticized as allegedly overstating the strength of his case in describing socialism as impossible rather than as something that would need to establish non-market institutions to deal with the inefficiency.

You are totally fucking insane, I swear there are goldfish that are more sentient than you.
 
You are totally fucking insane, I swear there are goldfish that are more sentient than you.

The guy says he's a vet and foreign policy is the most important issue to him. So what does Desh talk about? Economics.

I swear she has been trolling us all these years because my belief in humanity says no one can be this dumb.
 
I’m an Iraq vet and I can’t agree more with this article. We’re over 18 trillion in debt and we can’t keep spending on things like 40 million for a gas station in Afghanistan and billions on “moderate Syrian rebels.” The Pentagon needs a full audit and our defense dollars need to be spent wisely.

Our debt is our biggest national security risk.

"During the recent Fox Business News – Wall Street Journal Republican Primary debate, United States senators Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.) had what was probably one of the most meaningful exchanges so far in the race to decide the party’s nominee for president.

Paul and Rubio traded jabs over military spending, an issue that has divided many in the Republican party, and there’s little consensus on who won the exchange. That being said, the neoconservatives like Rubio are wrong when it comes to military spending and it’s time the Republican party, as a whole, realize it.

Let’s be clear about something. When Paul says you’re not a serious conservative if you’re willing to spend another $1 trillion, on loan from China, on the Department of Defense (DOD), he says so because the DOD is rife with fraud and waste.

For example, the DOD spent $2 million dollars for every one Syrian rebel they trained. Guess what? The majority of them never showed up to fight on our behalf after being trained. That’s right, $2 million to train one person that never showed up. The DOD also spent $43 million to build one single gas station in Afghanistan, which will never be used. If that wasn’t enough, Congress recently pushed $436 million on weapons that military experts explicitly said are not needed. Should they really keep getting blank checks?"

Entire article at http://truthinmedia.com/lotfi-dear-neocons-rand-paul-military-spending

I call libertarians "fibber-tarians" because in the long run their social/economic philosophy is wrought with contradictions...and the BS they spew when that is pointed out is laughable. Still, even a broken clock is right twice a day....and Paul, like his father, is quick to exploit the short comings of the system....which is why the neocon/oather/threeper/teabagger sections of the GOP will divorce themselves from him right quick.
 
You are totally fucking insane, I swear there are goldfish that are more sentient than you.

dear fucking lying asshole.


this is how you react to COLD HARD FACTS given you?


the Austrian school of economics is a JOKE to all the other schools
 
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