losing dem majority in 2010

"because the person that was holding it when they committed a crime is usually not the original owner of the weapon. "

Even in that case, it's a starting point, and a clue.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
because the person that was holding it when they committed a crime is usually not the original owner of the weapon.



the answer is not sometimes, its rarely. numerous police agencies have up front admitted that tracing the registration ONLY tracks the travel of the gun but hardly EVER solves the crime.
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That is because it often gets sold over and over without being registered.
 
Yurt said:
it is more than just guns at issue....it is rights, but you are too myopic to see that
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It could be, it could also be that there's a lot of people out there who lack the imagination and cerebral apparatus neccessary to realize that A.) the threat to gun ownership is more imaginary then real and B.) We got a whole hell of a lot more important issues to be concerned about.
 
Mottleydude said:
It could be, it could also be that there's a lot of people out there who lack the imagination and cerebral apparatus neccessary to realize that A.) the threat to gun ownership is more imaginary then real and B.) We got a whole hell of a lot more important issues to be concerned about.
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so you're saying DNC is just a crackpot and that obama will not take away our guns as DNC claims....
 
the anti gun fanatics are so myopic that they don't see that viewing the 2nd amendment as allowing only militias to have guns actually denies women any right to guns as militias were for MEN only

doh!
 
Yurt said:
so you're saying DNC is just a crackpot and that obama will not take away our guns as DNC claims....
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I'm not even convinced DNC is a legitimate poster. I think it is more likely that he's a troll created by someone who got bored.
 
ib1yysguy said:
I'm not even convinced DNC is a legitimate poster. I think it is more likely that he's a troll created by someone who got bored.
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i wholeheartedly agree. i think the person should get an award, excellent job. i am pretty sure the poster actually believes the exact opposite of what he or she posts.
 
Yurt said:
i wholeheartedly agree. i think the person should get an award, excellent job. i am pretty sure the poster actually believes the exact opposite of what he or she posts.
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I haven't seen Dano or Dixie on in a while. Suspicious.
 
Damocles said:
I truly believe that if they try to push for it in reality, it will hurt their chances in 2010 and beyond.

I know more Ds who are 2nd Amendment nuts than I do Rs who are Gun Registration and Revocation nuts.

You don't have to be "insane" to understand that this is just another essential freedom that they mean for us to give up for security.
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Yeah I'm a (D) and strongly support the 2nd. I'd actively vote against any (D) that I could that supports this.
 
I agree that there should be no need to register hunting rifles. The rest, I am sorry, there is only one reason you own the other guns and it is to kill people. I don't believe in killing people. I have never owned a gun and have never felt the need to own one. My husband and son now have hunting rifles. I was a very mean woman and would not allow my husband to own a gun until our children were in high school. We have grand children, but the guns are safely put away and my grandchildren don't have the run of the house as my children did. Fact, safest place for childcare, grandmother's house!
 
froggie said:
I agree that there should be no need to register hunting rifles. The rest, I am sorry, there is only one reason you own the other guns and it is to kill people. I don't believe in killing people. I have never owned a gun and have never felt the need to own one. My husband and son now have hunting rifles. I was a very mean woman and would not allow my husband to own a gun until our children were in high school. We have grand children, but the guns are safely put away and my grandchildren don't have the run of the house as my children did. Fact, safest place for childcare, grandmother's house!
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the true intent of the 2nd Amendment is to ensure that Americans can own guns that kill government traitors. If you don't like that idea, try a seance and talk to the founders.
 
evince said:
There are plenty of sane people with guns.

Its the insane people with guns who will get all pissy about this one.

Registering guns is reasonable.
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What is reasonable about it? What are the benefits? If you own a firearm, have you voluntarily registered it?
 
SmarterThanYou said:
not entirely correct. even though it isn't in the bill of rights, it's commonly accepted through the framers writings and debates that the people have the right to acquire property.......automobiles being property.
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You have a right to own them, and you don't even have to register them. You do not however have a right to operate them, and in order to do that legally you must register them. The registration even has a cost. Hence it is an imposition, thus an infringement, if it were a right.

If it were a right to own a car, the government could not charge for it, much like voting registration.

However, it seems that the right to own property, guns, is about to be in a battle against such an infringement.
 
Damocles said:
You have a right to own them, and you don't even have to register them. You do not however have a right to operate them, and in order to do that legally you must register them. The registration even has a cost. Hence it is an imposition, thus an infringement, if it were a right.

If it were a right to own a car, the government could not charge for it, much like voting registration.
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the government can't charge a fee, license, or a tax for a right protected by the constitution, right? murdock v. commonwealth of PA.

so why do we have to pay a 200 dollar tax on a machine gun transfer?
 
It appears that a fair portion of America's rightwing nutball population, along with most if not all of their leaders have been driven bat-shit by the election of President Barack Obama.

The owner of the rightwing nutball forum Free Republic, Jim Robinson, was recently forced to post a truly deranged piece of apologia regarding the attention his website recently earned from the Secret Service.

Bad actor Chuck Norris said "will history need to record a second American Revolution?"

"Unfortunately," whined Robinson, "we are saddled with a Communist sympathizer in the White House. I don't know whether or not he's an actual card carrying commie, but he's definitely an America-hating, anti-capitalist Marxist leftist who thinks Communism is the way to go. So now comes the problem. If you feel it's your duty to call Obama a traitor and use salty language in your proposed resolution, ie, suggest the Commie be keelhauled, walked off the plank, run up the yardarm, tarred and feathered and run out of Dodge, etc, etc, etc, you may be facing a visit from your friendly Secret Service."

Sean Hannity ran a poll on his website. It asked readers what kind of revolution they'd prefer: military coup, armed rebellion or war for secession? "#3 seems most realistic," opined Hannity.

That page has since been removed from Hannity's web site, surely due to some technical glitch, but before it was taken down, "armed rebellion" appeared to be the most popular choice of the three.

Is this not treason or sedition? Arrest and prosecute them for threatening the president, sedition and treason. Get them off the radio. Prosecute Republicriminals under the RICO Act.
 
Damocles said:
You have a right to own them, and you don't even have to register them. You do not however have a right to operate them, and in order to do that legally you must register them. The registration even has a cost. Hence it is an imposition, thus an infringement, if it were a right.

If it were a right to own a car, the government could not charge for it, much like voting registration.

However, it seems that the right to own property, guns, is about to be in a battle against such an infringement.
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:clink:
 
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