Loser Libertarian Compares Obama to Aurora Shooter

WinterBorn said:
Perhaps if you disliked the NRA for reasons that weren't based on the nonsense Michael Moore put out, some of us would take it more seriously.
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This is the 2nd time you've mentioned Michael Moore, I assume you're talking about Bowling for Columbine? My question is, what would make you assume I've ever seen it?

now, if you'd like to accuse me of seeing other movies, that would be awesome as well... retarded, but awesome.

as for why I dislike the NRA.. I think their bullshit "Obama plans to take your guns if he gets elected again,his 1st 4 years he just lulled you into believing he was pro-gun..but it's always been his plan'..gives me a good enough reason to think they're full of shit... I don't like extremism.. I don't defend it either... sorry you do..

So is there some other movie you'd like to assume I've seen and not take me seriously? Porky's maybe? Because I never saw that one either.. but you can think I did if you want..
 
Yurt said:
you do understand the difference between "fuel" and "write" don't you?

do you want me to link you to the definitions?
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huh..

The American Legislative Exchange Council was founded in 1973 by the right-wing activist Paul Weyrich; its big funders include Exxon Mobil, the Olin and Scaife families and foundations tied to Koch Industries. Many of the largest corporations are represented on its board.

ALEC has written model legislation on a host of subjects dear to corporate and conservative interests, and supporting lawmakers have introduced these bills in dozens of states. A recent study of the group’s impact in Virginia showed that more than 50 of its bills were introduced there, many practically word for word. The study, by the liberal group ProgressVA, found that ALEC had been involved in writing bills that would

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/13/opinion/the-big-money-behind-state-laws.html?_r=1
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Florida’s now-infamous Stand Your Ground law, which lets you shoot someone you consider threatening without facing arrest, let alone prosecution, sounds crazy — and it is. And it’s tempting to dismiss this law as the work of ignorant yahoos. But similar laws have been pushed across the nation, not by ignorant yahoos but by big corporations.
Specifically, language virtually identical to Florida’s law is featured in a template supplied to legislators in other states by the American Legislative Exchange Council, a corporate-backed organization that has managed to keep a low profile even as it exerts vast influence
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/26/opinion/krugman-lobbyists-guns-and-money.html
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Florida's statute on the use of force in self-defense is virtually identical to Section 1 of ALEC's Castle Doctrine Act model legislation as posted on the Center for Media and Democracy (CMD). According to CMD, the model bill was adopted by ALEC's Civil Justice Task in August 2005 -- just a few short months after it passed the Florida legislature -- and approved by its board of directors the following month.

Since the 2005 passage of Florida's law, similar statutes have been passed in 16 other states. This was no accident. In a 2008 interview with NRA News, ALEC resident fellow Michael Hough explained how his organization works with the NRA to push similar legislation through its network of conservative state legislators
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/03/21/alec-has-pushed-the-nras-stand-your-ground-law/186459
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no, I don't think I'm the one who needs the learning..
 
ekg said:
Heston did whine "they don't want us here".. and I did read it.. maybe you should..

whine whine whine.. Oh and an apology for cancelling the 'activities'...Because that decision perplexed the people going.. huh, kinda my point..
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He apologized to the members who had planned on attending functions. You think that is outrageous? I think its good manners.

He also said "But it's fitting and proper that we should do this. Because NRA members are, above all, Americans. That means that whatever our differences, we are respectful of one another and we stand united, especially in adversity.". To stand united with fellow Americans in grief.

And he was correct when he said, "Still they say don't come here. I guess what saddens me the most is how that suggests complicity. It implies that you and I and 80 million honest gun owners are somehow to blame, that we don't care. We don't care as much as they do, or that we don't deserve to be as shocked and horrified as every other soul in America mourning for the people of Littleton". The NRA WAS blamed for not cancelling the member meeting, despite the fact that the only way they could have legally cancelled it was to notify 4 million members in 24 hours. They did not have the functions that they could cancel.

You make it sound as though the NRA decided to come because of Columbine.





ekg said:
like it or not,it was in very bad taste to get up there and whine the way they did.. yes, they were asked not to come because as you said, 11 days earlier, a tragedy, never before seen in our history, had just taken place.. sorry, but people weren't ready.. instead of bringing people in and saying "Ya know, we don't agree with this.. these kids should have never had these guns" Heston gets up there and whines about being asked not to come and apologies for the inconvenience of those in attendance.. NOT the families grieving an insane loss.. You think that's awesome?
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He did speak to the grief, and to the discourse that was sure to follow. "To help shoulder the grief and share our sorrow and to offer our respectful, reassured voice to the national discourse that has erupted around this tragedy.".

No, he didn't say the kids shouldn't have had those guns. Perhaps because it was already illegal for underage kids to have firearms? He stayed away from blaming anyone for what happened.

There are people to blame for the Columbine shootings. The NRA is not. Blame the people who saw the website, the journals, and heard the threats and did nothing. Blame the psychologists who let them off. But the NRA did not cause that, nor were they trying to cause problems after the event. The NRA had an annual members meeting in Denver, and that was all they did.
 
Yurt said:
the problem with the argument that it is a right over our own body....is the argument that a fetus may or may not be a human. so, there is, reasonably, more than just the "my body" argument. as it could be....the child's argument.
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(IMO)a fetus is not a viable human.... viability starts when it can live unassisted outside the womb

if you can abort a rape,incest, or because a mother will die.. then there can't be any "its a baby" argument on abortion at other times..

regardless of any of that.. it's her body... and you want to take her rights to the body God gave her away.. but you'd defend her right to own a piece of hardware... odd.

you still do not have the right over your 'god given self' for various other reason(doctor-assist-suicide/drugs.. etc).. but none of this should really be a part of this discussion..
 
SmarterthanYou said:
maybe you should follow the whole conversation before you put your foot in your mouth, k?
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!whew!.. so you weren't making a retarded comparison that disliking the NRA means you're ok with women getting raped, kids molested and people robbed.. Great, because that's a pretty stupid argument..
 
ekg said:
(IMO)a fetus is not a viable human.... viability starts when it can live unassisted outside the womb

if you can abort a rape,incest, or because a mother will die.. then there can't be any "its a baby" argument on abortion at other times..

regardless of any of that.. it's her body... and you want to take her rights to the body God gave her away.. but you'd defend her right to own a piece of hardware... odd.

you still do not have the right over your 'god given self' for various other reason(doctor-assist-suicide/drugs.. etc).. but none of this should really be a part of this discussion..
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thank you for admitting you're arguing only your opinion. i appreciate that. that is the kernel of the debate concerning abortion. anything beyond that is nothing but opinion at this point.

every argument, including yours, fall into that category. your talk about rights all stem from just opinions.....just like the other side of the debate.

once you realize that, you might just see the topic in a different view.
 
j-mac said:
funny how that very argument could be made against 'pro-choice' nuts. And abortion kills way more lives per year than gun violence ever could.
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I don't recall any 'pro-life' extravaganza being held near a place where people are having miscarriages..

and if God gave you the rights to own a piece of metal, he gave me the rights to my body..
 
WinterBorn said:
He apologized to the members who had planned on attending functions. You think that is outrageous? I think its good manners.

He also said "But it's fitting and proper that we should do this. Because NRA members are, above all, Americans. That means that whatever our differences, we are respectful of one another and we stand united, especially in adversity.". To stand united with fellow Americans in grief.

And he was correct when he said, "Still they say don't come here. I guess what saddens me the most is how that suggests complicity. It implies that you and I and 80 million honest gun owners are somehow to blame, that we don't care. We don't care as much as they do, or that we don't deserve to be as shocked and horrified as every other soul in America mourning for the people of Littleton". The NRA WAS blamed for not cancelling the member meeting, despite the fact that the only way they could have legally cancelled it was to notify 4 million members in 24 hours. They did not have the functions that they could cancel.

You make it sound as though the NRA decided to come because of Columbine.







He did speak to the grief, and to the discourse that was sure to follow. "To help shoulder the grief and share our sorrow and to offer our respectful, reassured voice to the national discourse that has erupted around this tragedy.".

No, he didn't say the kids shouldn't have had those guns. Perhaps because it was already illegal for underage kids to have firearms? He stayed away from blaming anyone for what happened.

There are people to blame for the Columbine shootings. The NRA is not. Blame the people who saw the website, the journals, and heard the threats and did nothing. Blame the psychologists who let them off. But the NRA did not cause that, nor were they trying to cause problems after the event. The NRA had an annual members meeting in Denver, and that was all they did.
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the NRA are a bunch of extremists.. they started off with a noble agenda, but they've gone extreme..

and yes, it was unacceptable to apologize for the inconvenience to people attending a 'party' when the theme of that party is what just killed too many kids in an extremely violent manner.. I can't believe a rational person like yourself can't see that..

which brings us back to the religious-like protection the Right will give the NRA..

good night... gotta watch some Northman and then Lochte.. and then enjoy some sexy-dreams.. HA!
 
ekg said:
the NRA are a bunch of extremists.. they started off with a noble agenda, but they've gone extreme..

and yes, it was unacceptable to apologize for the inconvenience to people attending a 'party' when the theme of that party is what just killed too many kids in an extremely violent manner.. I can't believe a rational person like yourself can't see that..

which brings us back to the religious-like protection the Right will give the NRA..

good night... gotta watch some Northman and then Lochte.. and then enjoy some sexy-dreams.. HA!
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That you think the NRA should have been apologetic to the people of Denver is laughable. They had done nothing wrong. That the president of an organization apologized to the members of that organization for the cancellation of events is not a sign of anything but good manners.

Blaming the NRA for what happened in simply ridiculous.
 
ekg said:
!whew!.. so you weren't making a retarded comparison that disliking the NRA means you're ok with women getting raped, kids molested and people robbed.. Great, because that's a pretty stupid argument..
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yes, it would be a stupid argument, which is why I wasn't making it.
 
WinterBorn said:
You quoted Howey's post that said "This is why Libertarians are twinge-worthy fringe scum", and then added "'Fringe scum' is putting it mildly".

How was I to know that you were referring to a different group?

As for my hysteria, I assure you I am quite calm.
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Actually, WB, you are as passive/aggressive as they come and you DO get hysterical. Do I need to remind of some PM's that you've sent to me?
 
Yurt said:
NRA writes laws? have you ever studied our government/

btw...what your link doesn't support your contention that the "murder rate" increased. you're a liar or can't read. according to YOUR OWN link:

So-called justifiable homicides nearly doubled from 2000 to 2010, the most ...

try not to lie when you give a link. you'll have more credibility.




you're seriously deluded. in the wild wild west....there often was no one to judge whether you killed someone within the law or not. here...we have specific laws, backed with a law force and legal system.

study history sometime howey. you will also gain more credibility this way.
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Bullshit, yuck. The energy industries, insurance industries, even home remodeling industries write laws all the time and deliver them to congress for debate and decision. That is American FACT.
 
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