“lose-lose” scenario

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On Tuesday, the United States banned imports of Russian oil, closing one of the few remaining loopholes in its economic blockade of a country that exports a large share of the world’s energy, wheat, and metals.
On Friday, the U.S. signaled that it would join the E.U. and other members of the G7 in suspending normal trade relations with Russia altogether.

The impact of these unprecedented sanctions will be felt far beyond Russia’s borders.
The removal of large quantities of Russian energy and agricultural products from the global market is already putting upward pressure on global food prices, which hit a record high last month. Even before the present crisis, millions in Afghanistan were at risk of famine.
Now, deaths from starvation are poised to spike, while more mundane material hardships ripple out across the Global North. And the economic outlook is liable to get worse before it gets better, as the Kremlin is signaling that it will soon unveil retaliatory sanctions.


Thus, the conflict’s current trajectory is leading the world toward the “lose-lose” scenario of a global recession, while also increasing the tail risk of nuclear war. It is not clear how either side intends to avert disaster, let alone secure a victory.

Over the past two weeks, the U.S. and Europe have rapidly escalated their economic war on Russia, crossing lines that were unthinkable in the conflict’s early days. The strategic logic behind these moves — which is to say, the theory for how immiserating Russia will preserve an independent Ukraine — remains largely unspecified. And there is reason to fear that the West’s escalations reflect domestic political pressures more than cool-headed diplomatic calculation. For a White House that is eager to demonstrate American leadership on the global stage, but loath to entangle U.S. troops in another far-flung conflict, ever-more punishing sanctions may have simply been the path of least resistance, no matter where it appeared to lead.

Other traditional aims of economic warfare are to coerce an aggressor into a peace settlement, or to undermine their material capacity for waging war. Unfortunately, there is cause for doubting the sanctions’ efficacy on both these fronts.
 
testimony before the House on Tuesday, Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines said that the speed and severity of the West’s sanctions had taken Moscow by surprise. Nevertheless, Haines continued, “Our analysts assess that Putin is unlikely to be deterred by such setbacks and instead may escalate, essentially doubling down.” This revelation — that draconian sanctions have done more to inflame Putin’s aggression than temper it — made little impression on the lawmakers.

The strongest rationale for the West’s sanctions is that they will limit the resources available for Russian war-making. But this, too, risks unintended consequences. As U.S. Naval War College professor Erik Sand and MIT political scientist Suzanne Freeman have noted, “economic isolation rarely causes its targets to capitulate outright,” and often leads “states at war to adopt riskier strategies.” This is because economic warfare works on a delay. The targeted military’s present capacities are unaffected, while its future strength comes into question. In this context, military leaders find themselves facing “a closing window in which to try to avert the disaster they see coming,” and frequently do so through escalatory violence.

it is disconcerting to have so little clarity about how our economic war will redound to Ukraine’s peace. Perhaps, a heightened risk of famine, global recession, and nuclear disaster are the necessary costs of thwarting Russia’s aggression. But it would be nice to have a more thorough accounting of the West’s strategy, before we and the world pay the price.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/ukraine-is-a-war-without-endgame/ar-AAUX5gu
 
Let's see how the virtue-signaling woke Western war-hawks (and their deluded "conservative" confederates) like unaffordable food and energy - including electricity.

Russians won't have McDonald's or Starbucks. We won't have food or energy.
 
Let's see how the virtue-signaling woke Western war-hawks (and their deluded "conservative" confederates) like unaffordable food and energy - including electricity.

Russians won't have McDonald's or Starbucks. We won't have food or energy.

I can sho 'nuff get my food and for somebody else. Every Day. I also know how to preserve food and what works and what doesn't.

I can make Thai sun-dried fish in a day or 2.
 
I can sho 'nuff get my food and for somebody else. Every Day. I also know how to preserve food and what works and what doesn't. I can make Thai sun-dried fish in a day or 2.

:coolstorybro:

I'm not kidding. Bungling Biden's sanctimonious sanctions are gonna hurt soft, luxury-loving Americans way more than they'll hurt Putin.

Google Holodomor and learn what I mean.
 
The alt right does not want a lose-lose scenario... They want Russia to firmly win, and America to firmly lose.
 
The alt right does not want a lose-lose scenario... They want Russia to firmly win, and America to firmly lose.

At this stage- sensible people will want Russia to win quickly to minimize further loss of life and damage to the country . Continuing to send armaments into Ukraine is not an act of sensible people.

It's already a loss for NATO and we're not yet out of the danger of full-on nuclear war. Stray drones outside of Ukraine have ' false-flag ' written all over them. Americans should now revisit the schoolyard NATO mantra of ' All for one, one for all ' as a 19th c. 'Three Musketeers' sword-fighting romance entirely unsuitable for 20th c. nuclear geopolitics. If America sees itself as Mr. NATO, as most of the world does, then yes, it's a loss for America.
Europe doesn't need America to protect it from Russia. The US is using Europe to protect itself. NATO has made a staggering misjudgement- and the truth of it is dawning upon the Europeans

Yanqui- go home. There are over forty million Americans living in poverty.


EDIT;
Croatia slams NATO over drone incident
The military bloc needs to “raise its readiness” in the face of “a pure and clear threat,” Zagreb has maintained

https://www.rt.com/news/551772-croatia-nato-slow-drone-response/
 
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At this stage- sensible people will want Russia to win quickly to minimize further loss of life and damage to the country . Continuing to send armaments into Ukraine is not an act of sensible people.

It's already a loss for NATO and we're not yet out of the danger of full-on nuclear war. Stray drones outside of Ukraine have ' false-flag ' written all over them. Americans should now revisit the schoolyard NATO mantra of ' All for one, one for all ' as a 19th c. 'Three Musketeers' sword-fighting romance entirely unsuitable for 20th c. nuclear geopolitics. If America sees itself as Mr. NATO, as most of the world does, then yes, it's a loss for America.
Europe doesn't need America to protect it from Russia. The US is using Europe to protect itself. NATO has made a staggering misjudgement- and the truth of it is dawning upon the Europeans

Yanqui- go home. There are over forty million Americans living in poverty.

HUH? Sensible people want Russia to win? WTF?

Sensible people want an aggressor who is killing civilians and targeted a pregnant woman's hospital to win? You're one fucked up stupid foreign asshole
 
HUH? Sensible people want Russia to win? WTF?

' sensible people will want Russia to win quickly to minimize further loss of life and damage to the country '

Yes. Dumbasses will want it to drag on with maximum casualties and damage so that they can wave their dumbass flags and imagine that god is on their side.
You fit that description, paleface.
 
' sensible people will want Russia to win quickly to minimize further loss of life and damage to the country '

Yes. Dumbasses will want it to drag on with maximum casualties and damage so that they can wave their dumbass flags and imagine that god is on their side.
You fit that description, paleface.

Hell yeah. Kill more civilians to win? Fuck you, stupid fascist foreigner.
 
' sensible people will want Russia to win quickly to minimize further loss of life and damage to the country '

Yes. Dumbasses will want it to drag on with maximum casualties and damage so that they can wave their dumbass flags and imagine that god is on their side.
You fit that description, paleface.

"Sensible people want the West to take over the ME and bring those savages into the modern world". Like that, Ms. Moon?

By supporting war and murder, you are a war-mongering murderer, Ms. Moon. You shall reap it ten fold just like the Russians are getting right now.
 
Ukraine isn't in the Middle East, you dumbass racist prick.

It's good you realize that, Ms. Moon. Maybe you'll finally leave the 7th Century for the 20th Century before the rest of the world moves onto the 22nd Century.

Haw, haw..........................................haw.
 
It's good you realize that, Ms. Moon. Maybe you'll finally leave the 7th Century for the 20th Century before the rest of the world moves onto the 22nd Century.

Haw, haw..........................................haw.

You're raving, you dumbass racist prick.
Spike up and get well.

Haw, haw...................................haw.
 
You're raving, you dumbass racist prick.
Spike up and get well.

Haw, haw...................................haw.

Posting the truth isn't "raving", Ms. Moon. Your overly-emotional responses defy logic. It's why your culture has repeatedly had its ass kicked by the West; you put emotion over logic.

Sad too since the Golden Age of Islam was once far superior to the pigsty of medieval Europe.

What happened to your people, Ms. Moon?
 
If it were possible to re-live the past (which, of course, it isn't)...and we all went back to 1939 with Hitler invading Poland...most of us with hindsight would demand that action be taken against Hitler right then and there...NO MATTER THE COST.

Hitler was never going to stop.

Putin apparently will never stop either.

It seems more and more likely to me that Putin is terminally ill...and has decided to leave his mark in the most disgusting way possible. If he forces Ukraine back under Russian rule...how long will it be before he starts "protecting" the people of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Estonia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan?

The world is making an understandable, by inexcusable, mistake right now.
 
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What happened to your people, Ms. Moon?

Well, when global warming melted the igloos they retreated to Glaswegian mosques . What happened to your Priques Raciste people ? Jewish cavemen gettum ?


Haw, haw......................................haw.
 
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