Loretta Lynch Confirms: It Is Illegal to Transfer GITMO Detainees to the US

we haven't been capturing for the entire Obama administration. Is it better to just drone them? Because that is what has been happening.
It's ridiculous not to hold them at Gitmo or in a Supermax - this is a war ,and these are enemy combatants.

for those captured under Bush it would have been difficult to give them a trial.
Yes they should get some kind of due process from here on, but again we are killing them all meaning we are not getting INTEL
and they are not getting any review.

Many cannot be seized, and as long as they are not bogus "signature strikes" I'm fine with droning Waziristan, or AQAP for ex.
U.S./west has no more presence in Yemen - the gov't that allowed us there fell- and Waziristan is impossible to reach.

But for Somalia/Sinai/ for ex. we prolly could do some snatch and grabs. I'm sure the same for Syria/Iraq.
France and the US have Special Forces in Libya now too - directing drone strikes..

Obama has been flushing "high value" targets out under the guise of release to Saudi Arabia "rehabilitation"-
they still haven't completed a dedicated prison for that! SA wants US money to do so.

And shipping them to Ghana or Oman while under "supervision" is just pure recklessness. They are ticking bombs.
Congress is also at fault for not letting them be held in the US.

It's a complete policy failure (as usual) across the board, and we debate around the edges while the Long War goes on....
 
anatta said:
we haven't been capturing for the entire Obama administration. Is it better to just drone them? Because that is what has been happening.
It's ridiculous not to hold them at Gitmo or in a Supermax - this is a war ,and these are enemy combatants.

for those captured under Bush it would have been difficult to give them a trial.
Yes they should get some kind of due process from here on, but again we are killing them all meaning we are not getting INTEL
and they are not getting any review.

Many cannot be seized, and as long as they are not bogus "signature strikes" I'm fine with droning Waziristan, or AQAP for ex.
U.S./west has no more presence in Yemen - the gov't that allowed us there fell- and Waziristan is impossible to reach.

But for Somalia/Sinai/ for ex. we prolly could do some snatch and grabs. I'm sure the same for Syria/Iraq.
France and the US have Special Forces in Libya now too - directing drone strikes..

Obama has been flushing "high value" targets out under the guise of release to Saudi Arabia "rehabilitation"-
they still haven't completed a dedicated prison for that! SA wants US money to do so.

And shipping them to Ghana or Oman while under "supervision" is just pure recklessness. They are ticking bombs.
Congress is also at fault for not letting them be held in the US.

It's a complete policy failure (as usual) across the board, and we debate around the edges while the Long War goes on....
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I do not agree with Obsma's drone program, either.
 
christiefan915 said:
Where are the college records of the repub candidates? Not to mention Cruz's and Rubio's birth certificates.
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Don't you believe they were born ?......and whats to question about any of their college records....were they ordered put under top secret security like Obamas ?

Did someone ask to see them and been denied?....Just wtf are you implying ?
 
Rana said:
I do not agree with Obsma's drone program, either.
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I'm all for killing terrorists -where they are clearly terrorists. The signature strikes have always been shaky.

Did you happen to see 60Minutes last week where Obama used a signature strike to drone a bunch in N. Waziristan?
They thought the place had no hostages.. It was a US hostage, and the wife back here in the USA warned them not to do it.

So it's really really complicated. One thing we could do is take drone strikes out of the CIA hands..
Congress is at fault on a lot of this too.. we are basically just roaming the world and droning without oversight
 
christiefan915 said:
Scalia dissented, why am I not surprised.

Boumediene v. Bush, 553 U.S. 723 (2008) was a writ of habeas corpus submission made in a civilian court of the United States on behalf of Lakhdar Boumediene, a naturalized citizen of Bosnia and Herzegovina, held in military detention by the United States at the Guantanamo Bay detention camps in Cuba.

On June 12, 2008, Justice Kennedy delivered the opinion for the 5–4 majority, holding that the prisoners had a right to the habeas corpus under the United States Constitution and that the Military Commissions Act of 2006 was an unconstitutional suspension of that right. The Court applied the Insular Cases, by the fact that the United States, by virtue of its complete jurisdiction and control, maintains "de facto" sovereignty over this territory, while Cuba retained ultimate sovereignty over the territory, to hold that the aliens detained as enemy combatants on that territory were entitled to the writ of habeas corpus protected in Article I, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution.
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So did 3 others........don't they get any recognition ?
 
christiefan915 said:
Now why would the CIA destroy all those video recordings if everything that happened was hunky-dory?

California Senator Dianne Feinstein said that the report was conducted after CIA Director of the National Clandestine Service, Jose Rodriguez, was found to have destroyed almost 100 video recordings of interrogations in 2005. The United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI) believed that he was covering up illegal activities by the CIA, although the committee had initially been told by CIA officials that Rodriguez was not engaging in "destruction of evidence."
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Why would Hillary destroy all those E-Mails, if everything was hunky-dory?
 
anatta said:
I'm all for killing terrorists -where they are clearly terrorists. The signature strikes have always been shaky.

Did you happen to see 60Minutes last week where Obama used a signature strike to drone a bunch in N. Waziristan?
They thought the place had no hostages.. It was a US hostage, and the wife back here in the USA warned them not to do it.

So it's really really complicated. One thing we could do is take drone strikes out of the CIA hands..
Congress is at fault on a lot of this too.. we are basically just roaming the world and droning without oversight
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I don't think Congress gets to have a say when or where or who gets 'droned'......we do have a Commander IN Chief you know.
But,
Come, come....you surely don't imagine the pinheads are going to hold Obama responsible for any drone strikes that caused non-combatants or hostages to be killed...

That ain't even gonna be talked about let alone be considered "improper" :whoa:

During his eight years in office, Bush launched 51 drone strikes in Pakistan and killed between 410 and 595 people. Obama, so far, has launched 419 drone strikes in Pakistan, alone, and killed over 4,500 people in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia since 2009.
When a drone strike takes place, the US government "counts all military-aged males in a strike zone as combatant" unless posthumous intelligence proves them innocent, according to a May 2012 New York Times report.

So far this year, there have been between 14 to 15 confirmed US drone strikes in Yemen, which have killed 46 to 69 people, according to the Bureau of Investigative Journalism's (TBIJ) figures. In 2014, there were 13 to 15 confirmed US drone strikes in the country, killing between 82 to 118 people, along with 3 additional US attacks that killed 21 to 22 people. TBIJ's figures don't differentiate between who was and was not a "militant," however; that is hard to determine since many drone strike victims are unknown people. The US government largely does not know who it is killing in drone strikes.
Overall, US drone strikes and other counterterrorism operations have, so far, killed between 3,155 and 5,285 people, including around 563 to 1,213 civilians, in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia, according to TBIJ's numbers.
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/...kes-us-military-doesn-t-know-who-it-s-killing

But all of this doesn't matter, its those few enemy combatants in Gitmo that ain't gettin' their civil rights unheld....thats a big big issue.....
 
Rana said:
I do not agree with Obsma's drone program, either.
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Guess not, you don't even mention it......Gitmo is a much more serious issue, huh??? Whats a thousand civilians killed by Obama's drones compared to the injustice of holding
of holding a few enemy terrorists without a fair trial and a public defender....

Rana, when Christiefan goes to the toilet, does your hair get wet.....?
 
NOVA said:
Guess not, you don't even mention it......Gitmo is a much more serious issue, huh??? Whats a thousand civilians killed by Obama's drones compared to the injustice of holding
of holding a few enemy terrorists without a fair trial and a public defender....

Rana, when Christiefan goes to the toilet, does your hair get wet.....?
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Thats crass, you've really lowered your standards
 
Loretta Lynch Confirms: It Is Illegal to Transfer GITMO Detainees to the US

Wasn't it illegal to kidnap them in the first instance ?
 
moon2012 said:
Loretta Lynch Confirms: It Is Illegal to Transfer GITMO Detainees to the US

Wasn't it illegal to kidnap them in the first instance ?
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I daresay it would have been far easier just to kill them in situ, I doubt that your Arab mates would have bothered too much about such niceties.
 
Borboletta said:
I daresay it would have been far easier just to kill them in situ, I doubt that your Arab mates would have bothered too much about such niceties.
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You're forgetting the supposed advantages of torture. They could have been handed over to the neoZionists for torture and imprisonment. They're good at both- and only NGO humanitarians give a toss about the application of the law in fascist Israel.
 
NOVA said:
I don't think Congress gets to have a say when or where or who gets 'droned'......we do have a Commander IN Chief you know.
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But there are much needed reforms to Brennan "kill list"
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Three senior administration officials tell Newsweek that John Brennan, Obama's top counterterrorism adviser, has proposed significant bureaucratic shifts that could place the CIA's drone program on a much tighter leash.Known internally simply as "the playbook," it is a highly classified initiative to codify and institutionalize the standards and procedures for the government's targeted killing program

Brennan's "playbook" is more than simply an effort to enshrine the rules of the road for targeted killing. He is seeking to fundamentally reform the process by which targeted-killing decisions are made.
One key proposal, according to three administration officials who have been briefed on the matter, is to harmonize the CIA's and the military's decision-making process for lethal strikes. This would not be just a bureaucratic rearranging of the deck chairs. Although there has been White House supervision, the CIA has for most of Obama's presidency operated with a relatively free hand in choosing its targets and developing thresholds for when to take a shot. By contrast, when the military prepares for a killing operation, dozens of officials from across the national security bureaucracy assemble via secure video conference to debate the decision. Representatives from the military, the National Security Council, the State Department, the intelligence community, and other agencies hash out the legal authorities, policy considerations, diplomatic sensitivities, and potential risk to civilians before a recommendation finally works its way up the chain to the president himself.


The Wildly Insufficient 'Kill-List' Reforms of John Brennan
 
NOVA said:
Don't you believe they were born ?......and whats to question about any of their college records....were they ordered put under top secret security like Obamas ?

Did someone ask to see them and been denied?....Just wtf are you implying ?
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Did you believe Obama was born? Did you call for his birth certificate and college transcripts?
 
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