Looks like GM is done!

[ib1yysguy]

GM is failing because of excessive regulation, taxation, and labor unions, all of which make it damn near impossible to compete with the likes of Honda, Hyundai and Kia. Oh, and Americans buy SUVs because we like them, not because Rush told us to buy them. What planet are you living on?

Blah blah.

GM is using the money they got from the gov't to reorganize. They're not going out of business.

 

[Topspin]

Tabasco's right,
Bravo is an equal tool to Olbermann (when your near retarded and can't respond accuse the other guy of a misspelling or call him an idiot).

Detroit can NEVER compete with the slave wages and non med insurance of the foreigns.
Put a fucking huge tarrif on them or lose detroit.

 

[blackascoal]

So, it looks like General Motors is out!

Good, following Rush Linbaugh's advice and consentrating on gas guzzling tanks instead of seeking high efficency, alternate fuel, hybreds did not pay off for them!


Now lets not let the nation follow the same path, do not follow Rush the entertainer's financial advice.

MILLIONS of jobs .. gone.

Yet we give away trillions of dollars to Citi and AIG while saving GM would require peanuts compared to this.

 

[Jarod]

you sound like an idiot. I'd love to see you find even a single quote from the blowhard that fits your description. My god, you retard, learn to spell while you're at it. You make your party look bad.

Touched a nerve, did I?

 

[KingCondanomation]

So, it looks like General Motors is out!

Good, following Rush Linbaugh's advice and consentrating on gas guzzling tanks instead of seeking high efficency, alternate fuel, hybreds did not pay off for them!


Now lets not let the nation follow the same path, do not follow Rush the entertainer's financial advice.

ROFL! Hybrid sales crashed late last year as they are not only more expensive but gas prices are down.
http://www.hybridcarblog.com/2009/01/hybrid-sales-crushed-today.html

And this is the direction the left wants to FORCE the American car industry to go? They would be even worse off.

It's not just America either, sales are way down in Britain too.

 

[KingCondanomation]

MILLIONS of jobs .. gone.

Yet we give away trillions of dollars to Citi and AIG while saving GM would require peanuts compared to this.

You didn't save GM, you bought them a couple more months on life support. Times up, it was a waste of money.
But you are right that the Citi and AIG were wastes of money too.

 

[Bonestorm]

ROFL! Hybrid sales crashed late last year as they are not only more expensive but gas prices are down.
http://www.hybridcarblog.com/2009/01/hybrid-sales-crushed-today.html

And this is the direction the left wants to FORCE the American car industry to go? They would be even worse off.

It's not just America either, sales are way down in Britain too.

How much are sales down for conventional vehicles?

The real question is whether hybrids are losing market share. Do you have any figures on that?

 

[KingCondanomation]

How much are sales down for conventional vehicles?

The real question is whether hybrids are losing market share. Do you have any figures on that?

Certainly, here you are:

Even as automakers work feverishly to develop new hybrid cars, cash-strapped consumers are closing their wallets to today's models.
Fuel-thrifty gas-electric hybrids sold poorly in January amid low gas prices and the recession. Sales of hybrid versions of the Honda Civic, Ford Escape and Toyota Camry all took bigger percentage dives in the month than sales of the conventional versions. The hybrids come with higher price tags, though the gas savings can offset the upfront cost over time.

Sales of the leading hybrid, Toyota's Prius, which has no gasoline equivalent, fell 28.6% last month vs. January last year, Autodata says. That was less than Toyota's 31.7% overall drop but a far cry from last summer when dealers had waiting lists for Prius.

It's a "very bad car market, but Prius is not immune," says Toyota spokesman Mike Michels. "Gas prices have abated to a point that people have a fairly short memory." Regular gas averaged $1.91 a gallon nationwide Thursday vs. $2.98 a year ago, AAA says.

The drop in hybrid popularity comes at a touchy time. Automakers are ready to roll out more new hybrids in spring: Honda Insight, Ford Fusion hybrid and a next-generation Prius. Slow hybrid demand near Insight's launch "is not a big deal," insists Honda spokesman Kurt Antonius. "The Insight is perfectly positioned" as a value-priced vehicle.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2009-02-05-hybrid-sales-down_N.htm

 

[Bonestorm]

Certainly, here you are:

Even as automakers work feverishly to develop new hybrid cars, cash-strapped consumers are closing their wallets to today's models.
Fuel-thrifty gas-electric hybrids sold poorly in January amid low gas prices and the recession. Sales of hybrid versions of the Honda Civic, Ford Escape and Toyota Camry all took bigger percentage dives in the month than sales of the conventional versions. The hybrids come with higher price tags, though the gas savings can offset the upfront cost over time.

Sales of the leading hybrid, Toyota's Prius, which has no gasoline equivalent, fell 28.6% last month vs. January last year, Autodata says. That was less than Toyota's 31.7% overall drop but a far cry from last summer when dealers had waiting lists for Prius.

It's a "very bad car market, but Prius is not immune," says Toyota spokesman Mike Michels. "Gas prices have abated to a point that people have a fairly short memory." Regular gas averaged $1.91 a gallon nationwide Thursday vs. $2.98 a year ago, AAA says.

The drop in hybrid popularity comes at a touchy time. Automakers are ready to roll out more new hybrids in spring: Honda Insight, Ford Fusion hybrid and a next-generation Prius. Slow hybrid demand near Insight's launch "is not a big deal," insists Honda spokesman Kurt Antonius. "The Insight is perfectly positioned" as a value-priced vehicle.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2009-02-05-hybrid-sales-down_N.htm

A simple "no" would have sufficed.

 

[Damocles]

A simple "no" would have sufficed.

So you are saying you don't know what "higher percentages" means (we'll happily explain it to you, and prove that we can divide the number by 3), or are you saying you are just too disingenuous to actually just say, "Oh, thanks for the information."

 

[Bonestorm]

So you are saying you don't know what "higher percentages" means (we'll happily explain it to you, and prove that we can divide the number by 3), or are you saying you are just too disingenuous to actually just say, "Oh, thanks for the information."

No, I'm saying that showing that the hybrid versions of three models of cars saw bigger percentage drops that their conventional counterparts doesn't tell us anything about the market share of hybrid cars generally, particularly where sales of the Prius, the single hybrid model that accounts for a majority of total hybrid sales, dropped at a slower rate that sales of other Toyota models.

In short, I can read and comprehend. You two seem to be having difficultly with the comprehension part.

 

[Damocles]

No, I'm saying that showing that the hybrid versions of three models of cars saw bigger percentage drops that their conventional counterparts doesn't tell us anything about the market share of hybrid cars generally, particularly where sales of the Prius, the single hybrid model that accounts for a majority of total hybrid sales, dropped at a slower rate that sales of other Toyota models.

In short, I can read and comprehend. You two seem to be having difficultly with the comprehension part.

In short, you don't understand what "market share" means.

The market share dropped as they went down by a larger percentage in sales. One follows the other. Previous to the price decrease, a higher percentage of the market went to the hybrids than after the decrease. (marketshare).

Market share is figured by what percentage of sales are made up of that product. Since it is lower after the price decrease it directly means that the hybrids had a smaller market share.

 

[Bonestorm]

In short, you don't understand what "market share" means.

The market share dropped as they went down by a larger percentage in sales. One follows the other. Previous to the price decrease, a higher percentage of the market went to the hybrids than after the decrease. (marketshare).

Market share is figured by what percentage of sales are made up of that product. Since it is lower after the price decrease it directly means that the hybrids had a smaller market share.

The sales of three models of hybrid cars tells us little to nothing about the market share of hybrid cars collectively. That is all.

And you ignore that the Prius (which comprises more than 50% of the hybrid market) saw an increase in market share among Toyota sales.

 

[Damocles]

The sales of three models of hybrid cars tells us little to nothing about the market share of hybrid cars collectively. That is all.

And you ignore that the Prius (which comprises more than 50% of the hybrid market) saw an increase in market share among Toyota sales.

Yes, one model did see an increase. I agree.

However, market share is literally the percentage of sales of the cars overall. In the previous story it is clear that market share for hybrids dropped.

It's not like I think that means that the "green economy" is doomed, only that it is accurate to portray it that way with the evidence we have. A smaller percentage of cars that went on the market were hybrids, that means that they held a smaller market share.

Personally I think it is because people don't trust that the company will be able to back up their product, and they already know how to fix more conventional vehicles while may have problems with the hybrids. Also, hybrids cost more.

 

[Bonestorm]

Yes, one model did see an increase. I agree.

However, market share is literally the percentage of sales of the cars overall. In the previous story it is clear that market share for hybrids dropped.

It's not like I think that means that the "green economy" is doomed, only that it is accurate to portray it that way with the evidence we have. A smaller percentage of cars that went on the market were hybrids, that means that they held a smaller market share.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one even though you are wrong.

Based on the article the most that we could says is that the market share of three models decreased and the market share of one model increased. We could draw no conclusions on the market share of hybrids collectively.

 

[Damocles]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one even though you are wrong.

Based on the article the most that we could says is that the market share of three models decreased and the market share of one model increased. We could draw no conclusions on the market share of hybrids collectively.

One thing I noticed is this year there is the advent of quite a few Pickup Truck hybrid vehicles.

I'm looking forward to test driving one and hope they have enough pull to tow a horse trailer.

 

[Topspin]

several of GMs hybrid trucks have the same towing capacity as there ice only counterparts and the increase in city milage is impressive.
The environmental dorks hate on them but they actually make a larger impact that the coke can prius does.

 

[Thorn]

One thing I noticed is this year there is the advent of quite a few Pickup Truck hybrid vehicles.

I'm looking forward to test driving one and hope they have enough pull to tow a horse trailer.

I saw a Yukon hybrid the other day; didn't know they even made them! This is a good direction for so many reasons. I just want an affordable conversion package for my Wrangler.

 

[Damocles]

several of GMs hybrid trucks have the same towing capacity as there ice only counterparts and the increase in city milage is impressive.
The environmental dorks hate on them but they actually make a larger impact that the coke can prius does.

One of the problems I have is that most of my driving would be considered "Highway" driving where their numbers are better, but not quite as impressive. It goes up by 2 MPG or so on the ones that I have seen.

 

[Jarod]

I know at least locally there was a 6-9 month waiting list for hybred cars.


That might affect market share!