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Obama administration will formally declare danger of carbon emissions

The Obama administration will formally declare Monday that carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions pose a danger to the public's health and welfare, a move that lays the groundwork for an economy-wide carbon cap even if Congress fails to enact climate legislation, sources familiar with the process said.
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perfect. just what we need to get congress off its dead ass and reign in the power of the alphabet agencies.
 
The EPA is one of the things that make sense in government, pre EPA you would have companies that would base themselves near state lines so they could pollute into the state with no power over them or in states that would allow forms of pollution that the EPA regulates. It is clearly an interstate issue and definitely something that would fall under the interstate commerce clause of the constitution.

(This is my opinion only.)

Now, if the administration bases its decisions on politically based science it is making a mistake. We need to keep them within the state of reality.
 
Damocles said:
The EPA is one of the things that make sense in government, pre EPA you would have companies that would base themselves near state lines so they could pollute into the state with no power over them or in states that would allow forms of pollution that the EPA regulates. It is clearly an interstate issue and definitely something that would fall under the interstate commerce clause of the constitution.

(This is my opinion only.)

Now, if the administration bases its decisions on politically based science it is making a mistake. We need to keep them within the state of reality.
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Actually, the Bush EPA already made the determination that carbon dioxide is a pollutant that the agency is charged with regulating. You may recall a minor dust-up when it was revealed that the Bush White House simply refused to open the email from the EPA attaching the endangerment finding and instead ordered that the document be substantially re-written.

The Obama EPA isn't breaking any new ground here. They're just doing what they were tasked with doing without interference from political operatives in the White House.
 
Southern Man said:
Since the EPA's findings are based on junk, their findings are junk.
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I find it quite remarkable that you were able to not only read the EPA's Endangerment Finding, all 284 pages of it, together with the Technical Support Document (another 210 pages) but you were also able to conclude that it was all junk and you did it less than one day.

Nice work, SM.
 
NigelTufnel said:
I find it quite remarkable that you were able to not only read the EPA's Endangerment Finding, all 284 pages of it, together with the Technical Support Document (another 210 pages) but you were also able to conclude that it was all junk and you did it less than one day.

Nice work, SM.
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Thanks, but I didn't have to read it, as it would be based on the same set of data that all these other studies, now junk, have used. Too bad about that Climategate thing, huh?
 
Southern Man said:
Thanks, but I didn't have to read it, as it would be based on the same set of data that all these other studies, now junk, have used. Too bad about that Climategate thing, huh?
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As I'm sure you are well aware because you are obviously an expert, the CRU data, even assuming it is "junk," has absolutely nothing to do with the NASA and NOAA data. I feel really foolish reminding you of this since you are so well-versed in climate research, so my apologies.
 
NigelTufnel said:
As I'm sure you are well aware because you are obviously an expert, the CRU data, even assuming it is "junk," has absolutely nothing to do with the NASA and NOAA data. I feel really foolish reminding you of this since you are so well-versed in climate research, so my apologies.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/dec/03/nasa-embroiled-in-climate-dispute/

yeah... except that now Hansens work at NASA is also being questioned. He too is avoiding FOIA requests. Something all good scientists do with their raw data.... hide it.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Actually, the Bush EPA already made the determination that carbon dioxide is a pollutant that the agency is charged with regulating. You may recall a minor dust-up when it was revealed that the Bush White House simply refused to open the email from the EPA attaching the endangerment finding and instead ordered that the document be substantially re-written.

The Obama EPA isn't breaking any new ground here. They're just doing what they were tasked with doing without interference from political operatives in the White House.
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Excellent point!
 
NigelTufnel said:
Actually, the Bush EPA already made the determination that carbon dioxide is a pollutant that the agency is charged with regulating. You may recall a minor dust-up when it was revealed that the Bush White House simply refused to open the email from the EPA attaching the endangerment finding and instead ordered that the document be substantially re-written.

The Obama EPA isn't breaking any new ground here. They're just doing what they were tasked with doing without interference from political operatives in the White House.
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SmarterThanYou said:
This alone tells me the EPA needs to be irrevocably eliminated.
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And you miss the point...it was the Shrub's administration that IGNORED the report. Hell, recall all the flack caused when it was revealed that the Shrub & company were altering reports.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Well if the folks at the Competitive Enterprise Institute "suspect" that NASA has done something wrong it must be true.

You're such a tool.
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by the way... do you ever get tired of your constant attempts to try to demean the sources of articles rather than actually discussing them?

I suppose the Washington Times is not good enough for you either? Neither are the others from the two separate links provided???

You are such a complete hack. Go drink some more kool aid
 
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