Local cops can Enforce fed law

Sammy Jankis

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state and local police can enforce federal immigration law. Federal law does not prevent them from doing so.





Don’t take my word for it. Here are federal court opinions saying so:





In 1983, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit -- you read that right, the Ninth Circuit -- concluded, in Gonzales v. City of Peoria, 722 F.2d 468, that, “Although the regulation of immigration is unquestionably an exclusive federal power, it is clear that this power does not preempt every state activity affecting aliens.” Rather, when “state enforcement activities do not impair federal regulatory interests concurrent enforcement is authorized.” The Court accordingly held “that federal law does not preclude local enforcement of the criminal provisions” of federal immigration law.





In 1984, the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit likewise ruled, in United States v. Salinas-Calderon, that “[a] state trooper has general investigatory authority to inquire into possible immigration violations.”





Fifteen years later, in 1999, the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit reaffirmed its position, in United States v. Vasquez-Alvarez, 176 F.3rd 1294, stating, “this court has long held that state and local law enforcement officers are empowered to arrest for violations of federal law, as long as such arrest is authorized by state law.”





In 2001, the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit ruled again, in United States v. Santana-Garcia, 264 F.3rd 1188, “that state law enforcement officers within the Tenth Circuit ‘have the general authority to investigate and make arrests for violations of federal immigration laws,’ and that federal law as currently written does nothing ‘to displace . . . state or local authority to arrest individuals violating federal immigration laws.’ On the contrary, the Court said, “federal law ‘evinces a clear invitation from Congress for state and local agencies to participate in the process of enforcing federal immigration laws.’”





In 2001, the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit held, in United States v. Rodriguez-Arreola, 270 F.3rd 611, that a state trooper did not violate the defendant’s rights by questioning him about his immigration status after pulling him over for speeding.





In 2002, the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit held, in United States v. Favela-Favela, 41 Fed. Appx. 185, that a state trooper did not violate the defendant’s rights by asking questions about his immigration status, after pulling the defendant over for a traffic violation and noticing there were 20 people in the van the defendant was driving.





In 2005, the United States Supreme Court held, in Muehler v. Mena, 544 U.S. 93, that police officers who handcuffed a gang member while they executed a search warrant for weapons, did not violate her rights by questioning her about her immigration status. The Court explained, “[E]ven when officers have no basis for suspecting a particular individual, they may generally ask questions of that individual; ask to examine the individual's identification; and request consent to search his or her luggage."





In 2005, the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit confirmed again, in United States v. Hernandez-Dominguez, 1 Fed. Appx. 827, that "[a] state trooper [who has executed a lawful stop] has general investigatory authority to inquire into possible immigration violations."





in 2008, the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri held, in Gray v. City of Valley Park, 2008 U.S. Dist LEXIS 7238, affirmed 2009 U.S. App. LEXIS 12075, that federal law did not preempt a local ordinance suspending the business license of any business that hires illegal aliens.





In 2008, the United States District Court for the District of New Jersey concluded, in Rojas v. City of New Brunswick, 2008 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 57974, that, “As a general matter, state and local law enforcement officers are not precluded from enforcing federal statutes. Where state enforcement activities do not impair federal regulatory interests concurrent enforcement activity is authorized.” The Court accordingly held that a city and its police department had authority to investigate and arrest people for possible violations of federal immigration laws.


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You have been proven wrong on Gonzales v Peoria. Your quote shows it. Criminal violations only.

Vazquez involved a criminal offense, previously deported felon.

Salinas involved a criminal offense, knowing transportation of illegal immigrants.

Hernandez involved a criminal offense, possession of methamphetamine.

Gray is n/a.

Rojas involved a criminal offense, possession of a false social security card.

Anything else?
 
This Arizona law is unconstitutional...

I like the premise of the law... but I cant support it as it violated peoples' natural rights..

My state is one of 14 states now considering this law as well..
 
LMAO....nice one asshat

rsdumbfield actually tried to use this case to defeat one of my points without realizing the case actually supported exactly what i said....i had to rake him over the coals with this case a couple of weeks ago, but alas, his thinking is petrified....
 
LMAO....nice one asshat

rsdumbfield actually tried to use this case to defeat one of my points without realizing the case actually supported exactly what i said....i had to rake him over the coals with this case a couple of weeks ago, but alas, his thinking is petrified....

It says criminal violations only. I have posted the relevant parts numerous times. Here it is...

We therefore conclude that state law authorizes Peoria police to enforce the criminal provisions of the Immigration and Naturalization Act. We firmly emphasize, however, that this authorization is limited to criminal violations. Many of the problems arising from implementation of the City's written policies have derived from a failure to distinguish between civil and criminal violations of the Act. Several of the policy statements use the term "illegal alien," which obscures the distinction between the civil and the criminal violations. In some instances, that term has been used by the City to mean an alien who has illegally entered the country, which is a criminal violation under section 1325. In others, it has meant an alien who is illegally present in the United States, which is only a civil violation. There are numerous reasons why a person could be illegally present in the United States without having entered in violation of section 1325. Examples include expiration of a visitor's visa, change of student status, or acquisition of prohibited employment. Arrest of a person for illegal presence would exceed the authority granted Peoria police by state law.

Furthermore, an arresting officer cannot assume that an alien who admits he lacks proper documentation has violated section 1325. Although the lack of documentation or other admission of illegal presence may be some indication of illegal entry, it does not, without more, provide probable cause of the criminal violation of illegal entry. The arrest must therefore be supported by additional evidence that the arrestee entered without inspection. In implementing the arrest authority granted by state law, local police must be able to distinguish between criminal and civil violations and the evidence pertinent to each. In the future, this may require refinements of both the written policies and officer training programs.

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No matter how many times you repeat your lies, they are still lies.
 
dude...i have to be honest, i get into good debates with nigel, onceler etc....they don't continue to repeat the same crap all the time, well nigel sometimes and onceler, but its just onceler and i fucking around....you, you actually believe if you repeat the same argument over and over, it makes it so

we argued this ad nauseum a couple of weeks ago, i underlined, i bolded, i pointed everything out and nothing changed your mind....
 
dude...i have to be honest, i get into good debates with nigel, onceler etc....they don't continue to repeat the same crap all the time, well nigel sometimes and onceler, but its just onceler and i fucking around....you, you actually believe if you repeat the same argument over and over, it makes it so

we argued this ad nauseum a couple of weeks ago, i underlined, i bolded, i pointed everything out and nothing changed your mind....

It's right there in the ruling. WTF is your problem?

"We firmly emphasize, however, that this authorization is limited to criminal violations."

Are you still confusing a criminal violation with a civil one? There is no other way to read this, no matter how much you try to spin it.
 
What "natural right" does the law violate?

Peoples' right to privacy. 4th amendment we all have the right to be secure in our person, papers, effects,etc..

Now, Ive got no problem at all with somebody getting ID'd after breaking the law, or in a case where there is probable cause or a warrant...

But theoretically I could be walking down the street, a cop could demand my ID and if I refuse he can arrest me.


Thats not right.
 
Peoples' right to privacy. 4th amendment we all have the right to be secure in our person, papers, effects,etc..

Now, Ive got no problem at all with somebody getting ID'd after breaking the law, or in a case where there is probable cause or a warrant...

But theoretically I could be walking down the street, a cop could demand my ID and if I refuse he can arrest me.


Thats not right.

You're really going to have to re-explain yourself on this one; because first you complain and then you reverse yourself.

While you're at it, please explain how being stopped for a traffic violation and then being asked for your LEGALLY ACCEPTED ID is a 4th amendment violation??
 
You're really going to have to re-explain yourself on this one; because first you complain and then you reverse yourself.

While you're at it, please explain how being stopped for a traffic violation and then being asked for your LEGALLY ACCEPTED ID is a 4th amendment violation??

being stopped for a traffic violation and being asked for ID isnt a violation..

But if Im walking down a public sidewalk, not committing any crime, and a cop comes up to me and demands ID, than that is violating my rights.
 
You're really going to have to re-explain yourself on this one; because first you complain and then you reverse yourself.

While you're at it, please explain how being stopped for a traffic violation and then being asked for your LEGALLY ACCEPTED ID is a 4th amendment violation??

That is a crime and they usually do not arrest for it.

The Az law should be held to violate protections against unreasonable search and seizure. Probable cause of what other civil violation allows warrantless arrest? Warrantless arrests for a misdemeanor are almost unheard of and even then require the officer to witness the crime.
 
being stopped for a traffic violation and being asked for ID isnt a violation..

But if Im walking down a public sidewalk, not committing any crime, and a cop comes up to me and demands ID, than that is violating my rights.

And why do you think that this is going to occur??
 
That is a crime and they usually do not arrest for it.

The Az law should be held to violate protections against unreasonable search and seizure. Probable cause of what other civil violation allows warrantless arrest? Warrantless arrests for a misdemeanor are almost unheard of and even then require the officer to witness the crime.

Then I would suggest that if you're an illegal immigrant, that you don't drive in Arizona.

Problem solved.
 
being stopped for a traffic violation and being asked for ID isnt a violation..

But if Im walking down a public sidewalk, not committing any crime, and a cop comes up to me and demands ID, than that is violating my rights.

You open borders libertarians are wrong on this issue.
 
Rstringfield. Only one of those cases supports your assertions. The one that explicitly says about criminal violations. The rest of them have you dead to rights.
 
dispute this one rstring.

In 2005, the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit confirmed again, in United States v. Hernandez-Dominguez, 1 Fed. Appx. 827, that "[a] state trooper [who has executed a lawful stop] has general investigatory authority to inquire into possible immigration violations."

this makes no disctinction between civil and criminal, does it?
 
And why do you think that this is going to occur??

Because thats what the law allows...

I know plenty of Republicans who are absolutely horrified that the feds under Obama have the power to issues self-written search warrants.. and can look at all of your medical history for example if they so choose..

And they always ask the same question: "Where did they get the power to do that?"

And the answer is the Patriot Act under George Bush.
 
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