Lincoln: scheduled to be canceled at 7pm tomorrow

[Micawber]

That is not what that statue means at all. WTF is wrong with you people.

I have eyes. I see the great emancipator standing upright well dressed over a cowering slave in rags.
Lincolns hand waving over him like Moses parting the red sea. I see exactly what the message is.

"By my grace these savages will be unleashed" It's dated and now very offensive. It needs a proper resting place.

 

[Sailor]

I have eyes. I see the great emancipator standing upright well dressed over a cowering slave in rags.
Lincolns hand waving over him like Moses parting the red sea. I see exactly what the message is.

"By my grace these savages will be unleashed"

You need glasses for one. Warped ones to offset the warped view of reality you have now.

 

[Bigdog]

Watch the Antifa and the white supremacists battling each other.

Hope nobody gets mowed over by a Dodge Charger.

What? 5 ALT White socialists pretending to be Antifa?

One white millenial nutcase, htting a white girl with a car, 3 years ago is supposed to represent the whole Republican party? ... that's a mighty broad brush there, Snowflake racist Moron.

 

[Micawber]

You need glasses for one. Warped ones to offset the warped view of reality you have now.

I concede it was well intentioned at the time. But it reeks of "white people humanized and civilized you black people, be thankful"

It should go to a museum.

 

[AProudLefty]

What? 5 ALT White socialists pretending to be Antifa?

One white millenial nutcase, htting a white girl with a car, 3 years ago is supposed to represent the whole Republican party? ... that's a mighty broad brush there, Snowflake racist Moron.

What the actual fuck? I never said anything about the Republican party.

 

[Sailor]

I concede it was well intentioned at the time. But it reeks of "white people humanized and civilized you black people, be thankful"

It should go to a museum.

I see it as you are free from bondage. Let me help you. You see Micabwer, things like this should be put to a vote. Not mob rule. Obviously there are differences of opinion on what things might stand for.

 

[Darth Omar]

That is not what that statue means at all. WTF is wrong with you people.

That’s kind of the problem with symbols and art [monuments are first and foremost, art]: the manner in which they are interpreted is *subjective*.

Which is exactly what makes it interesting.

The mistake that’s being made is a vocal minority thinks there’s ‘only one way’ to interpret them. And it’s their way or the high way. And that’s a real problem in a democratic society. If the governing body doesn’t remove the monument, someone or some town gets smeared as racist; and if that doesn’t work, here comes the mob with ropes and winches.

In the minds of the totalitarian morons in the OP link, the damn thing is coming down one way or the other.

 

[Sailor]

That’s kind of the problem with symbols and art [monuments are first and foremost, art]: the manner in which they are interpreted is *subjective*.

Which is exactly what makes it interesting.

The mistake that’s being made is a vocal minority thinks there’s ‘only one way’ to interpret them. And it’s their way or the high way. And that’s a real problem in a democratic society. If the governing body doesn’t remove the monument, someone or some town gets smeared as racist; and if that doesn’t work, here comes the mob with ropes and winches.

In the minds of the totalitarian morons in the OP link, the damn thing is coming down one way or the other.

Exactly.

 

[Darth Omar]

I see it as you are free from bondage. Let me help you. You see Micabwer, things like this should be put to a vote. Not mob rule. Obviously there are differences of opinion on what things might stand for.

Yikes, must have been writing the same thing at the same time lol.

 

[Sailor]

Yikes, must have been writing the same thing at the same time lol.

Hey, great minds think alike!

 

[Micawber]

I see it as you are free from bondage. Let me help you. You see Micabwer, things like this should be put to a vote. Not mob rule. Obviously there are differences of opinion on what things might stand for.

I agree on the vote. I think an educated populous would see it my way.

 

[BartenderElite]

That’s kind of the problem with symbols and art [monuments are first and foremost, art]: the manner in which they are interpreted is *subjective*.

Which is exactly what makes it interesting.

The mistake that’s being made is a vocal minority thinks there’s ‘only one way’ to interpret them. And it’s their way or the high way. And that’s a real problem in a democratic society. If the governing body doesn’t remove the monument, someone or some town gets smeared as racist; and if that doesn’t work, here comes the mob with ropes and winches.

In the minds of the totalitarian morons in the OP link, the damn thing is coming down one way or the other.

So, let's apply that to some of the Confederate statues.

We know, 100%, that many of them were erected after the Civil War, as a way that the losers of that war could still assert white supremacy.

If you knew that this was the reason for the statue's existence...would you support its removal today?

 

[Noking]

Hey, great minds think alike!

Hey Popeye, did you remember to bring your knee pads???????????????????

 

[Darth Omar]

Hey, great minds think alike!

Still a little spooky but yeah lol.

 

[Stretch]

I concede it was well intentioned at the time. But it reeks of "white people humanized and civilized you black people, be thankful"

It should go to a museum.

Do you have a problem with the fact that it was Blacks who demanded and commissioned the monument? And, they paid for it? Problem?
Do you have a problem with people being thankful for what Lincoln did? Do you have a problem just being thankful at all?

 

[Sailor]

I agree on the vote. I think an educated populous would see it my way.

A vote would tell if that was correct or not. We agree.

 

[Micawber]

A vote would tell if that was correct or not. We agree.

Exceptan uneducated or unempathetic majority could spend their while taunting and offending minorities.
I concede there is no constitutional right not to be offended by statues. If he is holding a bible on public property, I may have another angle.

 

[Darth Omar]

So, let's apply that to some of the Confederate statues.

We know, 100%, that many of them were erected after the Civil War, as a way that the losers of that war could still assert white supremacy.

If you knew that this was the reason for the statue's existence...would you support its removal today?

The OP monument has nothing to do with the confederacy but I’ll play.

There’s no right or wrong answer—all depends on how you want to look at it. One could argue that, since the *original intent* was to send an ugly message [btw, I don’t accept the 100% thing] that’s a good argument for their removal.

Totally understandable.

But since it’s an objective thing you had to know ‘on the other hand’ is coming.

On the other hand, the people who put them there are dead and gone; society as a whole has left their attitudes in the dust; all of them have been there for many decades, became part of the town’s decorum, for lack of a better word, and are probably town center pieces in many instances.

I don’t reject either argument. I see why some people might want rid of them and I get why others might want them to stay.

There’s this wonderful invention called ‘democracy’ which is handy for settling such disputes. I have absolutely no problem with a town deciding to remove confederate monuments *provided* the governing body wasn’t coerced into doing it.

That, isn’t very democratic.

 

[Micawber]

The OP monument has nothing to do with the confederacy but I’ll play.

There’s no right or wrong answer—all depends on how you want to look at it. One could argue that, since the *original intent* was to send an ugly message [btw, I don’t accept the 100% thing] that’s a good argument for their removal.

Totally understandable.

But since it’s an objective thing you had to know ‘on the other hand’ is coming.

On the other hand, the people who put them there are dead and gone; society as a whole has left their attitudes in the dust; all of them have been there for many decades, became part of the town’s decorum, for lack of a better word, and are probably town center pieces in many instances.

I don’t reject either argument. I see why some people might want rid of them and I get why others might want them to stay.

There’s this wonderful invention called ‘democracy’ which is handy for settling such disputes. I have absolutely no problem with a town deciding to remove confederate monuments *provided* the governing body wasn’t coerced into doing it.

That, isn’t very democratic.

Your problem is this town is DC, and it is 80-90% AA.

I don't buy the weight of your "it wasn't offensive then, even if it is now" argument, by the way.
Now beats then every time.

 

[Micawber]

What about a majoritarian mob?

DC commissions a sculpture of a well endowed black man standing over and holding a leash connected to the neck of a naked voluptuary white woman on all fours with a while shoving a glove in her face, entitled "smell the glove."

It could mean whatever I subjectively say it means. Majority rules, right?