Life's little contradiction

T. A. Gardner said:
Calls for one versus actually doing one and then getting government and industry in general to adopt it is another thing. Ford did that. It's like saying someone in 1825 recognized the need for a lightbulb but it took Edison another 60 years to patent one that actually worked...
http://www.politifact.com/factcheck...-hour-day-and-40-hour-come-henry-ford-or-lab/


Irrelevant to the FACT that Social Security has always had a near zero ROI because it only invests in government securities.


So, you're fine with Congress and government raiding it to pay for shit but upset with the idea that government could invest, in part or whole, any money in the system in the private sector.



This is precisely what I claimed. Hitler rose to power because of the Treaty of Versailles and its onerous terms on the German economy.


What difference does that make to what I stated?


Now you are off on a tangent.
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1. No genius, it proves via historical fact that Ford was NOT (as you insist) the original idea of the 40 hour work week, etc. Unions were.
2. What's irrelevant is your insipdly stubborn parroting and shifting to prove an ideology that the historical facts won't support.
3. 🙄 I point out that SocSec has problems due to administrations dipping into it for projects and such (which shouldn't be done) and that rich individuals should put a fair share in (instead of their contributions being capped). I don't know WTF you're babbling about.
4. 🙄 That was PART of the problem. That you choose to ignore all events and situations leading up to that is quite absurd.
5. You just keep parroting a myopic viewpoint that puts all emphasis on one aspect while down playing/ignoring the crucial and connected facts dealing with capitalism.
6. No genius, YOU went down a rabbit hole to try and exonerate Cheeto Jeezus & company via condemnation of socialism ... most likely because the recent blue wave elections with avowed socialist democrats is just too much for the Maga mindset to handle. 😉
 
Both unions and Ford were the primary engines of change to the 40 hour work week. The 40-hour work week was not the invention of a single “genius,” but rather the result of a long struggle led by labor unions and the Eight-Hour Day movement in the 19th century. The idea was popularized by union activists as early as 1866, when the National Labor Union petitioned Congress for an eight-hour workday. Later, Henry Ford played a pivotal role in mainstreaming the 40-hour, five-day work week in 1926 by adopting it in his factories, proving it could be profitable.

www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/this-timeline-explains-how-the-40-hour-workweek-came-about/252147

www.businessinsider.com/history-of-the-40-hour-work

www.cultureamp.com/blog/40-hour-work-week
 
Jake Starkey said:
Both unions and Ford were the primary engines of change to the 40 hour work week. The 40-hour work week was not the invention of a single “genius,” but rather the result of a long struggle led by labor unions and the Eight-Hour Day movement in the 19th century. The idea was popularized by union activists as early as 1866, when the National Labor Union petitioned Congress for an eight-hour workday. Later, Henry Ford played a pivotal role in mainstreaming the 40-hour, five-day work week in 1926 by adopting it in his factories, proving it could be profitable.

www.entrepreneur.com/business-news/this-timeline-explains-how-the-40-hour-workweek-came-about/252147

www.businessinsider.com/history-of-the-40-hour-work

www.cultureamp.com/blog/40-hour-work-week
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I gave him similar information. He just ignored or blew smoke about it. Then parrots his BS ad nausea. Pitiful.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
And, the proof is that more college educated people who are well off demand the government give the poor social services, and are registered as Democrats, actually are immoral, rotten assholes bound for Hell.
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So people who follow Christ's command to feed, clothe, heal, visit (in prison) the poor are going to Hell? Who died and left you the Almighty?

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Jake Starkey said:
Tha't just it, libby.You used that phrase as a cover. You don't care about America, only yourselves.
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No jake snarkey, we on the political right seem to be the only people who care about America. You lefties are undermining America's constitution, our culture, our very livelihoods, our safety, our
moral standards, and our freedom rights as citizens to do our own thing without the oversight
and intrusion of big government. You know, big obtrusive govt which has become the mainstay
of the democrat party.
 
Taichiliberal said:
1. No genius, it proves via historical fact that Ford was NOT (as you insist) the original idea of the 40 hour work week, etc. Unions were.
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There are numerous sources that had the idea. Ford was the one that made it a reality. Unions, for example, could whine all they wanted about having one, but they had little or no way to get it enacted.
Taichiliberal said:
2. What's irrelevant is your insipdly stubborn parroting and shifting to prove an ideology that the historical facts won't support.
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Butthurt much?
Taichiliberal said:
3. 🙄 I point out that SocSec has problems due to administrations dipping into it for projects and such (which shouldn't be done) and that rich individuals should put a fair share in (instead of their contributions being capped). I don't know WTF you're babbling about.
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That's only one problem. Another is that it is essentially a Ponzi scheme. That is, it uses money coming in today to pay out to the earliest (the oldest people) participants. For those just getting into the scheme, there is no money to pay them. That's a classic Ponzi scheme.
My solution would be to allow the SSA to invest some part of the money in stocks, bonds, or other securities in the private sector to generate a ROI and make the system solvent. Of course, Congress would have to stop raiding the fund for money to pay for useless shit as well, and that too should happen.
Taichiliberal said:
4. 🙄 That was PART of the problem. That you choose to ignore all events and situations leading up to that is quite absurd.
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The biggest problem with Social Security is that as a Ponzi scheme it needs to keep expanding. That is, it needs more people buying in continuously compared to who is getting paid out from it. If you don't have tons of immigration, legal and illegal, the US population would stagnate and even possibly shrink as is happening in many other First World nations today.
Taichiliberal said:
5. You just keep parroting a myopic viewpoint that puts all emphasis on one aspect while down playing/ignoring the crucial and connected facts dealing with capitalism.
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What "crucial and connected facts dealing with capitalism" are you talking about here? Capitalism works because it generates wealth. Socialism fails because it confiscates wealth and redistributes it. Without a profit motive, any economic system is bound to fail eventually.
Taichiliberal said:
6. No genius, YOU went down a rabbit hole to try and exonerate Cheeto Jeezus & company via condemnation of socialism ... most likely because the recent blue wave elections with avowed socialist democrats is just too much for the Maga mindset to handle. 😉
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I condemn socialism because it doesn't work. This has nothing to do with your TDS issues. People can be, and often are, stupid. Take you for example. Went idiots are allowed to vote, don't be surprised when idiots get elected.
 
Jake Starkey said:
That statement is false because it confuses correlation, opinion, and moral judgment with objective proof.

Why It is false.
  1. No Evidence of Immorality
    • Being college‑educated, financially secure, or registered as a Democrat does not inherently make someone immoral.
    • Morality is judged by actions (e.g., honesty, compassion, harm to others), not by education level, income, or political affiliation.
    • The claim takes a broad group (“college educated Democrats who support social services”) and labels them all “immoral assholes bound for Hell.”
    • That’s a sweeping generalization without evidence, and it ignores the diversity of values and behaviors within that group.

Key Point

The statement is false because it pretends opinion is proof, relies on sweeping generalizations, and equates political affiliation with moral destiny. In reality, morality is not determined by education, wealth, or party registration.
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Libhater said:
No jake snarkey, we on the political right seem to be the only people who care about America. You lefties are undermining America's constitution, our culture, our very livelihoods, our safety, our
moral standards, and our freedom rights as citizens to do our own thing without the oversight
and intrusion of bigvernment. You know, big obtrusive govt which has become the mainstay
of the democrat party. go
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You all are in self denial.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That's between them and whoever. I'm Shen Buddhist.
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So in your opinion then, those who want to provide social services to the indigent are "evil." Is that your personal opinion or is it religion-based? And why is it "evil" to help others? That's a Church of Satan precept. And one of Ayn Rand's, as well.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That's between them and whoever. I'm Shen Buddhist.
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Are followers of Shen Buddhism opposed to state social services?

Answer: "Followers of Shen Buddhism are not inherently opposed to state social services. In fact, Buddhist traditions—including syncretic forms like Shenism—often emphasize compassion, charity, and social engagement. While some Shen Buddhist practices are more personal and ritual-based, the broader Buddhist ethos generally supports welfare and social assistance rather than opposing it.

Understanding Shen Buddhism​

  • Shenism origins: Shen Buddhism (sometimes referred to as Shenism) is a syncretic Chinese religious tradition blending Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, and local deity worship. It is often non-institutional and focused on personal devotion rather than centralized doctrine.
  • Social orientation: While Shenism emphasizes ritual and spiritual practice, it has historically coexisted with broader Buddhist movements that encourage philanthropy and social responsibility.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
So in your opinion then, those who want to provide social services to the indigent are "evil." Is that your personal opinion or is it religion-based? And why is it "evil" to help others? That's a Church of Satan precept. And one of Ayn Rand's, as well.
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No. Misguided. To provide social services without some strings attached that will require the recipient to demonstrate their willingness to improve their own lot on a sustained basis, then social services should be withheld. If you won't put in effort, try, and work, then you don't eat...

Personal philanthropy is fine regardless of how it is done. It's your money, spend it as you see fit. But when GOVERNMENT becomes the source social services, they should get a return on the investment. The government is using everyone's money and just handing it out without conditions is an affront to taxpayers as a whole.
 
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