Life in Good ol DEREGULATED Texas

Mott the Hoople said:
Oh certainly. I'm all for regulation when and where needed. Excluding fertilizer companies from hazardous materials regs wasn't one of their better ideas to say the least.

I am though all for being far minded and considering all facts.
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Thanks to Texas' "business friendly regulations", Arkema doesn't even have to tell those who live near the plant what chemicals are being used/produced in the plant.

How is a community supposed to make contingency plans in case of emergency when the company won't even reveal what it is they use/make?
 
Buckly J. Ewer said:
Explosions reported at a Houston-area chemical plant: what we know

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Early Thursday morning, a series of explosions were reported at a chemical facility in Crosby, Texas, about 25 miles northeast of Houston. Flooding rains from Tropical Storm Harvey cut off power to the facility on Sunday, knocking out critical refrigeration systems at the location. The plant manufactures organic peroxides, chemical compounds used in manufacturing construction materials, which can ignite when not stored at a low temperature.

Plant crews worked on restoring the power and containing the chemicals, but on Wednesday, the site, as well as a 1.5-mile radius around it, was evacuated in fear of an imminent explosion.

https://www.vox.com/science-and-hea...cal-explosion-harvey-houston-arkema-peroxides
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they will just lie into the face of those facts again
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Thanks to Texas' "business friendly regulations", Arkema doesn't even have to tell those who live near the plant what chemicals are being used/produced in the plant.

How is a community supposed to make contingency plans in case of emergency when the company won't even reveal what it is they use/make?
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how can a buyer deside to buy or not buy in the area without being informed of the risks
 
God bless America said:
i see "i bet" and no actual facts zappacrite

post some quotes from people of west, texazz saying they wish they'd had a bit more Government oversight/EPA regulation of the plant that exploded

btw zappacrite that tragic explosion happened under OBAMA
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But West’s fire chief said his volunteers didn’t know how much ammonium nitrate was stored at the facility on any given day.

McLennan County received the standard Tier II form. But they said that state regulators did nothing to red-flag the high levels of the potentially dangerous chemical stored by West Fertilizer — or draw attention to the chemical’s explosive risks.

No one “from the state ever came to us and said, ‘Hey, you need to look at this,’” McLennan County emergency coordinator Frank Patterson said.

Under certain conditions, such as compression and intense heat, ammonium nitrate fertilizer can explode.

West’s volunteer firefighters said they had always heard that ammonium nitrate was a stable chemical — and they had received no contrary information from state or county officials. They said they did not know the explosive potential of ammonium nitrate at high temperatures.

“At the time, you have a fire of that magnitude, your adrenaline’s rushing. You’re not thinking about this thing exploding,” West Fire Capt. C.J. Gillaspie said. “You’re not thinking about how much ammonium nitrate is in there. [Or] what’s in there that’s combustible. Golf cart, fork lift, front end motors. You don’t think about any of that.”

http://res.dallasnews.com/interactives/2013_December/westretrospective/1215_westretrospective.html

ANOTHER racist Nazi FAIL!
 
PostmodernProphet said:
???.....I'm pretty sure we all noticed it was you, Zappy.....
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How do I know I'm right?

Alice in Liberaland said:
He is such a fat dishonest fuck. He is stinging from Mutts fisting right now
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Because all I see is one petty ad hom attack after another.

God bless America said:
Zappacrite also "forgot" to mention that the West, Texas incident occurred on Obama's watch. :rofl2:
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If they had ANY facts, they'd be posting them...instead, all they've got are the usual fat jokes and more petty name calling.

#WINNING!!

:rofl2:
 
Texas also refused to act on all the scientific studies that showed an increase in storms and their intensity in their future and their NEED for better flood infrastucture.


why are republican states so stupid they think science is meaningless?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
How do I know I'm right?



Because all I see is one petty ad hom attack after another.



If they had ANY facts, they'd be posting them...instead, all they've got are the usual fat jokes and more petty name calling.

#WINNING!!

:rofl2:
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Are you pretending that you didn't "forget" to mention that the West, Texas incident occurred on Obama's watch, Zappacrite?

Do you ever tell the truth?

BTW, where's your proof that Russell Wallace is a Trumpkin as you claimed on August 24?

Runnnig away Zappacrite?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
But West’s fire chief said his volunteers didn’t know how much ammonium nitrate was stored at the facility on any given day.

McLennan County received the standard Tier II form. But they said that state regulators did nothing to red-flag the high levels of the potentially dangerous chemical stored by West Fertilizer — or draw attention to the chemical’s explosive risks.

No one “from the state ever came to us and said, ‘Hey, you need to look at this,’” McLennan County emergency coordinator Frank Patterson said.

Under certain conditions, such as compression and intense heat, ammonium nitrate fertilizer can explode.

West’s volunteer firefighters said they had always heard that ammonium nitrate was a stable chemical — and they had received no contrary information from state or county officials. They said they did not know the explosive potential of ammonium nitrate at high temperatures.

“At the time, you have a fire of that magnitude, your adrenaline’s rushing. You’re not thinking about this thing exploding,” West Fire Capt. C.J. Gillaspie said. “You’re not thinking about how much ammonium nitrate is in there. [Or] what’s in there that’s combustible. Golf cart, fork lift, front end motors. You don’t think about any of that.”

http://res.dallasnews.com/interactives/2013_December/westretrospective/1215_westretrospective.html

ANOTHER racist Nazi FAIL!
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Still no quotes from residents of West Texas calling for "a bit more Government oversight/EPA regulation of the plant that exploded", Zappacrite.

Why do you lie so much, Zappacrite?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Can you say Ka BOOM??


Texas reporter says state is lying about likelihood of massive ‘shock wave’ chemical plant explosion


In an interview with MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow, a Houston reporter who did an in-depth investigation into potential safety hazards at chemical plants in the Houston area said officials have been unclear about the type of explosion that will occur at the Arkema chemical manufacturing plant outside of the city.

The ticking time bomb of a plant is reportedly flooded by six feet of water in the wake of Hurricane Harvey, making some of the more sensitive chemicals it houses into a threat for explosion.

“[The Harris County fire marshall] said that they don’t expect like a shock wave kind of explosion,” Matt Dempsey, a data reporter for the Houston Chronicle, told Maddow. “That’s in contradiction to the expert said who said we’re sitting on a powder keg type of situation here.”

“Experts on one side are saying it’s a huge thing, and I have the government officials and the company saying it might not be that big,” Dempsey continued. “It’s hard to tell for sure.”

Dempsey went on to detail a back-and-forth he’d had with Arkema’s CEO, who refused to make the plant’s inventory public and who hasn’t answered questions about whether the plant has industry standard fail-safes that deplete the stock in case of disasters like Hurricane Harvey.

“It would have been standard operating procedure for a facility like this to have some sort of compound to quelch the organic peroxide, essentially to make sure the explosion risk, the fire risk was not there,” Dempsey said. “It would eliminate that stock so they wouldn’t have it for product going forward.”

Dempsey said he’s unsure if Arkema followed that procedure.

“I don’t know why they didn’t do that, I haven’t gotten a good answer from Arkema about that at this point,” he continued. “Maybe they weren’t following procedure according to the experts. But I find it troubling that they said they planned for a worst case scenario. and the storm just ripped right through that.”

Due to Texas laws preventing people from being forced from their homes, the 1.5 mile radius around the plant considered to be at risk of explosion has not been evacuated, though Dempsey said most people have left their homes in preparation for the impending explosion.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/wat...-massive-shock-wave-chemical-plant-explosion/
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um no
 
The ticking time bomb of a plant is reportedly flooded by six feet of water in the wake of Hurricane Harvey, making some of the more sensitive chemicals it houses into a threat for explosion.
“[The Harris County fire marshall] said that they don’t expect like a shock wave kind of explosion,” Matt Dempsey, a data reporter for the Houston Chronicle, told Maddow. “That’s in contradiction to the expert said who said we’re sitting on a powder keg type of situation here.”
 
evince said:
um no
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Um yes. Here are the posts in order, you addled tweaker.


God bless America said:
Are you pretending that you didn't "forget" to mention that the West, Texas incident occurred on Obama's watch, Zappacrite?

Do you ever tell the truth?

BTW, where's your proof that Russell Wallace is a Trumpkin as you claimed on August 24?

Runnnig away Zappacrite?
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evince said:
it happened after and because of the flood idiot
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Evidently you are incapable of grasping the fact that Zappacrite brought up two separate unrelated incidents in this thread.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Can you say Ka BOOM??


Texas reporter says state is lying about likelihood of massive ‘shock wave’ chemical plant explosion


In an interview with MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow, a Houston reporter who did an in-depth investigation into potential safety hazards at chemical plants in the Houston area said officials have been unclear about the type of explosion that will occur at the Arkema chemical manufacturing plant outside of the city.

The ticking time bomb of a plant is reportedly flooded by six feet of water in the wake of Hurricane Harvey, making some of the more sensitive chemicals it houses into a threat for explosion.

“[The Harris County fire marshall] said that they don’t expect like a shock wave kind of explosion,” Matt Dempsey, a data reporter for the Houston Chronicle, told Maddow. “That’s in contradiction to the expert said who said we’re sitting on a powder keg type of situation here.”

“Experts on one side are saying it’s a huge thing, and I have the government officials and the company saying it might not be that big,” Dempsey continued. “It’s hard to tell for sure.”

Dempsey went on to detail a back-and-forth he’d had with Arkema’s CEO, who refused to make the plant’s inventory public and who hasn’t answered questions about whether the plant has industry standard fail-safes that deplete the stock in case of disasters like Hurricane Harvey.

“It would have been standard operating procedure for a facility like this to have some sort of compound to quelch the organic peroxide, essentially to make sure the explosion risk, the fire risk was not there,” Dempsey said. “It would eliminate that stock so they wouldn’t have it for product going forward.”

Dempsey said he’s unsure if Arkema followed that procedure.

“I don’t know why they didn’t do that, I haven’t gotten a good answer from Arkema about that at this point,” he continued. “Maybe they weren’t following procedure according to the experts. But I find it troubling that they said they planned for a worst case scenario. and the storm just ripped right through that.”

Due to Texas laws preventing people from being forced from their homes, the 1.5 mile radius around the plant considered to be at risk of explosion has not been evacuated, though Dempsey said most people have left their homes in preparation for the impending explosion.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/wat...-massive-shock-wave-chemical-plant-explosion/
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this is post one


what post number are the ones you are talking about
 
Well, Zappacrite?

Are you running away again after you "forgot" to mention that the West, Texas explosion occurred during Obama's term and failed to produce a single quote from a resident stating that they "wished they'd had a bit more Government oversight/EPA regulation"?

That is what you claimed Zappacrite. Here is your assertion in case you have Zapnesia:

ZappasGuitar said:
I bet the people of West, Texas wished they'd had a bit more Government oversight/EPA regulation of the plant that exploded and blew half their town off the map.
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I'm still waiting for you to back up your August 24 claim that Russell Walker is a Trumpkin, Zappacrite.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Thanks to Texas' "business friendly regulations", Arkema doesn't even have to tell those who live near the plant what chemicals are being used/produced in the plant.

How is a community supposed to make contingency plans in case of emergency when the company won't even reveal what it is they use/make?
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Obama had nothing to do with Texas state laws idiot.
 
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