LIfe in "Conservative Christian" America?

ZappasGuitar said:
Funny you should mention "intellectual dishonesty", since it appears you didn't have the spine to answer a very simple question regarding an allegation you yourself made.

Do "conservative" Christians represent ALL Christians in America?

Seems you forgot to answer that simple question.
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You've ignored my question to you. post 5.
 
Damn Yankee said:
You don't know. Someone might have taught them to be gay or they learned it themselves.
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No, we don't know. Which is why I went withthe simplest explanation, and that would be that, homosexuality being latent in some individuals, it is not something to be taught or learned.
 
Since they were 'developmentally challenged', they likely could not disseminate from what is normal moral and natural. Not just in matters of sexuality but in many other matters of appropriate behavior.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Funny you should mention "intellectual dishonesty", since it appears you didn't have the spine to answer a very simple question regarding an allegation you yourself made.

Do "conservative" Christians represent ALL Christians in America?

Seems you forgot to answer that simple question.
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you have no clue what the term means.....you finally answered my question. i see no need to further discuss the issue. with you, i never know what broad brush you're going to smear a group you don't like. hence why i ASKED the question instead of ASSuming like you do quite often. amazing, when i ask a question if you mean something, you still think i'm trying to tell you what you meant.

intellectual dishonesty is you running around crying that i tell others what their posts mean and then turning around and telling others what they mean and not finding any problem with.
 
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Damn Yankee said:
Since they were 'developmentally challenged', they likely could not disseminate from what is normal moral and natural. Not just in matters of sexuality but in many other matters of appropriate behavior.
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Having worked as a volunteer with developmentally challenged adults (many years ago) I can tell you that they do indeed learn what is acceptable and what is not. Very often they may not understand why, but they know what they are not supposed to do. The basic social rules are drilled into them from an early age and repeated until they grasp them. There are those who cannot understand these basic social rules, and they are often excluded from trips out into the world for that very reason.
 
Damn Yankee said:
You've ignored my question to you. post 5.
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You expect others to accept the conclusions you drew from looking briefly at one single still photo of another poster's children, yet you don't allow others the same luxury.

Just as you drew numerous, far reaching conclusions regarding that poster's lifestyle based solely on one single photo, I drew my own conclusions from the "evidence" presented in the article.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Bible cited as reason for kicking gay men out of public pool


Activists in Kentucky are planning a peaceful response after two gay men with developmental and intellectual disabilities were kicked out of a public pool.

A maintenance technician reportedly cited the Bible while telling the two men they couldn't swim at The Pavilion, a government-funded recreational facility in Hazard, Kentucky.

"We own this place and can tell you to leave if we want to," the couple was told, according to the Kentucky Equality Foundation.

"The Pavilion staff immediately entered the pool area and asked my clients and their staff to leave the Pavilion," Mending Hearts Executive Director Shirlyn Perkins recalled. "My staff asked The Pavilion staff why they were being asked to leave, and they were informed that 'gay people' weren't allowed to swim there."

"My staff told this man that what he was trying to do was discrimination. The man stated that what he was doing was in the Bible and he could do it. My staff continued to argue with this man, but was ultimately forced to leave. My clients, whom already feel ridiculed and different, left the city owned facility crying and embarrassed for trying to participate in 'normal' activities that everyday 'normal' people do," she added.


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/06/14/bible-cited-as-reason-for-kicking-gay-men-out-of-public-pool/
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ok.... so we have ONE side of the story here.... not both. Not shocking coming from you.

Second, we have ONE man who allegedly made the comments and you wish to assign his comments to conservative christians as a whole? Again, not shocking coming from you.

If this was an accurate account, the two men should be apologized to and the employee fired. Regardless... it is quite pathetic to take the employee's words and assign them to all conservative christians.

There are idiots in every group/organization and demographic segment of our country.
 
Damn Yankee said:
Since they were 'developmentally challenged', they likely could not disseminate from what is normal moral and natural. Not just in matters of sexuality but in many other matters of appropriate behavior.
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1) There is NOTHING immoral about being gay
2) There is NOTHING unnatural about being gay
3) You have demonstrated quite clearly the fact that you have no comprehension of the capabilities of those who are 'developmentally challenged' which is shocking given that you are one of them. They most certainly do understand the difference between right and wrong.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
You expect others to accept the conclusions you drew from looking briefly at one single still photo of another poster's children, yet you don't allow others the same luxury.

Just as you drew numerous, far reaching conclusions regarding that poster's lifestyle based solely on one single photo, I drew my own conclusions from the "evidence" presented in the article.
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It was a simple question, no need to get into an emotional tizzy. Here, I'll repeat it:

Isn't their behavior immediately before getting kicked out an important part of the story?
 
Superfreak said:
1) There is NOTHING immoral about being gay
2) There is NOTHING unnatural about being gay
3) You have demonstrated quite clearly the fact that you have no comprehension of the capabilities of those who are 'developmentally challenged' which is shocking given that you are one of them. They most certainly do understand the difference between right and wrong.
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1. Wrong.
2. Wrong again.
3. Your infantile insult is ignored. Evidently not.
 
Damn Yankee said:
It was a simple question, no need to get into an emotional tizzy. Here, I'll repeat it:

Isn't their behavior immediately before getting kicked out an important part of the story?
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Common sense states that if their actions immediately preceding their expulsion were germane to the story, then they would have been included.
 
Damn Yankee said:
1. Wrong.
2. Wrong again.
3. Your infantile insult is ignored. Evidently not.
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1. Is immoral only for those who demand that religious doctrine is the only source of morality.
2. It has been shown to be part of nature and observed in numerous other species.
3. The insult was funny.
 
Yurt said:
1. morality is subjective
2. it is natural
3. according to god, yes, it is immoral and not natural. you need to state your basis if that is what you claim.
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1. Morality is defined by the world's major religions, all which state that homosexuality is immoral.
2. Since there is no procreation with homosexual relationships, that subset of society would simply die out. Natural relationships result in a sustainable species.
 
Damn Yankee said:
1. Morality is defined by the world's major religions, all which state that homosexuality is immoral.
2. Since there is no procreation with homosexual relationships, that subset of society would simply die out. Natural relationships result in a sustainable species.
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1. so your basis is major religions...ok. should we adopt islamic principles, such as halal food?
2. there are many heterosexual relationships in which there is no procreation. are those relationships unnatural?
 
Yurt said:
1. so your basis is major religions...ok. should we adopt islamic principles, such as halal food?
2. there are many heterosexual relationships in which there is no procreation. are those relationships unnatural?
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1. No my basis is morality, which is not religion, but defined by the world's major religions.
2. We're discussing a species, or a subset of that species, not individuals in that species.
 
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