Lies and the lying liars who told them

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"It is a Ponzi scheme to tell our kids that are 25 or 30 years old today, you've paid into a program that's going to be there," Rick Perry said at his first presidential debate.


"Anybody that's for the status quo with Social Security today is involved with a monstrous lie to our kids, and that's not right."


Elsewhere he has called the program "by any measure … a failure" and cited it as "by far the best example" of an extra-constitutional program "violently tossing aside any respect for our founding principles."


It's a catchy turn of argument, but one monstrously divorced from reality.


His "failure" kept nearly 14 million seniors and 1.1 million children out of poverty last year, according to Census Bureau data.


Here are the facts about Social Security:



  • Without any modification, it will pay out full benefits for the next 24 years.
  • Starting in 2035, its trust fund will no longer be able to pay full benefits.

Instead it will pay roughly three quarters benefits through 2084, which is as foreseeable a future as anyone can peer into in these matters—a problematic future, but hardly a monstrous one and certainly not an impossible one.




http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2011/09/22/the-gops-lies-and-monstrous-lies
 
Indeed, the Congressional Budget Office has produced 30 policy recommendations, some combination of which could fix the Social Security shortfall.

Here's one: Remove the payroll tax cap so that more wages are subject to the payroll tax.

That would make the program solvent for the 75-year window—again, hardly a monstrous situation. (To put it another way, the Social Security shortfall figures to be roughly 0.8 percent of GDP—roughly the same as the cost of extending the Bush tax cuts over the same period.)


http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2011/09/22/the-gops-lies-and-monstrous-lies?PageNr=2
 
Social Security wasn't the only topic this week of Texas-size Perry misinformation.


Obama "had $800 billion worth of stimulus in the first round of stimulus," Perry said. "It created zero jobs."


This gem—a staple of GOP talking points—earned a "Pants on Fire" rating from PolitiFact, which pointed to several independent analyses that came to quite different conclusions.


The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that the first round of stimulus created or saved between 1.3 million and 3.6 million jobs; HIS/Global Insight put the number at 2.45 million, Macroeconomic Advisers at 2.3 million, and Moody's Economy.com at 2.5 million.


The GOP may disdain jobs that come from public spending (recall Speaker John Boehner's "so be it" comment when asked about budget cuts leading to fewer jobs), but they cannot seriously argue that the economy would be better off if the ranks of the unemployed were 2.5 million persons more swollen.


So instead forgo the inconvenient truth in favor of the monstrous lie.





http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2011/09/22/the-gops-lies-and-monstrous-lies?PageNr=2
 
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Indeed, the Congressional Budget Office has produced 30 policy recommendations, some combination of which could fix the Social Security shortfall.

Here's one: Remove the payroll tax cap so that more wages are subject to the payroll tax.

That would make the program solvent for the 75-year window—again, hardly a monstrous situation. (To put it another way, the Social Security shortfall figures to be roughly 0.8 percent of GDP—roughly the same as the cost of extending the Bush tax cuts over the same period.)


http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2011/09/22/the-gops-lies-and-monstrous-lies?PageNr=2
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maybe we should all surrender our full paychecks to the government, then fill out forms to have our rent paid, food bought, utilities covered, and all other expenses handled by nanny state government.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
maybe we should all surrender our full paychecks to the government, then fill out forms to have our rent paid, food bought, utilities covered, and all other expenses handled by nanny state government.
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I found evidence that explains why you're still walking around:


"While Gadahn appeared in angry videos calling for attacks on the United States, officials said he had not been specifically targeted for capture or killing by U.S. forces because he was regarded as a loudmouth..."


http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/10/06/170462.html
 
Onceler said:
Who gets to tell seniors in 20 years that their checks are getting cut by 25%?
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The GOP will tell 'em it's "reform" and blame it on the Democrats, if past history is anything to go by.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
maybe we should all surrender our full paychecks to the government, then fill out forms to have our rent paid, food bought, utilities covered, and all other expenses handled by nanny state government.
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Always with the black and white mentality. Never any shades of gray. I'm so glad I live in a world of color and not just black and white.

But when you're ideology is proven false and your leaders are proven liars you've got nothing left but extremes.
 
Crashk said:
Always with the black and white mentality. Never any shades of gray. I'm so glad I live in a world of color and not just black and white. But when you're ideology is proven false and your leaders are proven liars you've got nothing left but extremes.
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He says if the ballot box fails, he'll go to the bullet box. Says...
 
Crashk said:
Always with the black and white mentality. Never any shades of gray. I'm so glad I live in a world of color and not just black and white.

But when you're ideology is proven false and your leaders are proven liars you've got nothing left but extremes.
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funny thing about my world.

democrats=proven liars and thieves
republicans=proven liars and thieves

so what do i have left?
 
\(\(=)/)/ said:
He says if the ballot box fails, he'll go to the bullet box. Says...
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Wasn't he the one who was going to take his pistol to the polling place, because he was afraid liberals were going to try to kill him? Maybe not, maybe it was someone else but all these diddo-heads look alike to me.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
funny thing about my world. democrats=proven liars and thieves republicans=proven liars and thieves so what do i have left?
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Crashk said:
Wasn't he the one who was going to take his pistol to the polling place, because he was afraid liberals were going to try to kill him? Maybe not, maybe it was someone else but all these diddo-heads look alike to me.
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i highlighted stories about people carrying to polling places. mainly because of SEIU thugs and black panther door guards. I did, however, wear my gun to the polling place as well. Since it's Texas, only I knew about it.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
or i can kill you......
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Go for it, jaw-jacker.

SmarterThanYou said:
when the time comes. when it comes.
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The time just never seems to come with jaw-jackers, does it?

SmarterThanYou said:
i highlighted stories about people carrying to polling places. mainly because of SEIU thugs and black panther door guards. I did, however, wear my gun to the polling place as well. Since it's Texas, only I knew about it.
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Everybody with access to the internet knows about it now, don't they, jaw-jacker? It's interesting that you're so scared of Negroes and union members that you have to hide a gun in your panties when you leave momma's basement.
 
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