Liberals versus Salt

I seem to remember hells kitchen is in Jersey overlooking the city... Am I wrong?
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Yup, I was wrong.. its in Manhattan.
 
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Ramsey is a Brit gourmet chef who yells at the people who are trying to win a restaurant of their own by living up to some pretty difficult standards.
 
Topspin said:
Well we needed regulation to take lead out of paint, and gasoline.
there are plenty of other examples of where something good for us had to be regulated.
I'd rather they regulate the thieves in Wall Street and congress before worrying about salt.
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It's not as if we can't multi-task...
 
Damocles said:
Ramsey is a Brit gourmet chef who yells at the people who are trying to win a restaurant of their own by living up to some pretty difficult standards.
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Ramsey also has a show on BBC where he goes to failing restaraunts and helps the owners turn them around. Some times the owners are so obtuse that there's nothing he can do to help them. He's a much more sympathetic person than on Hells Kitchen.
 
Mottleydude said:
Ramsey also has a show on BBC where he goes to failing restaraunts and helps the owners turn them around. Some times the owners are so obtuse that there's nothing he can do to help them. He's a much more sympathetic person than on Hells Kitchen.
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On Hell's Kitchen he is expecting more from them, they're trying to win a gourmet restaurant. There is far more at stake.

I like both shows.
 
Mottleydude said:
Ramsey also has a show on BBC where he goes to failing restaraunts and helps the owners turn them around. Some times the owners are so obtuse that there's nothing he can do to help them. He's a much more sympathetic person than on Hells Kitchen.
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That'll be 'Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares'. There's a new series on telly tonight, which is a little coincidental.
 
charver said:
That'll be 'Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares'. There's a new series on telly tonight, which is a little coincidental.
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Reminds me of the old joke.

Heaven in Europe is a French Chef, an English Bobby and a German Engineer.

Hell in Europe is a French Engineer, a German Policeman and an English Chef.
 
Jarod said:
I seem to remember hells kitchen is in Jersey overlooking the city... Am I wrong?
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Yup, I was wrong.. its in Manhattan.
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You are probably thinking of Hoboken. One of the (too) many colleges I have attended was Stevens Institute of Technology, Castle-Point-on-the-Hudson, Hoboken, NJ. The cafeteria dining room was on the 2nd floor and had a GREAT view of the Manhattan skyline over the Hudson river, but it was rated as having the worst cafeteria food of any uni in the U.S.!
 
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Here's a recent article, very brief, on sodium levels and heart disease. The startling news is that about 1/3 of Americans suffer from high blood pressure, and in addition, about 37% of us pre pre-hypertensive. The article also makes it clear that salt elevates blood pressure, and how. It is not selective, and is not confined to "sensitive" individuals.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_73729.html

I had found some scientific references, but they got pretty specific for people who haven't had some background in biochemistry. This link is a good place to start, though, and you can branch out from there if you're interested.
 
Thorn said:
Here's a recent article, very brief, on sodium levels and heart disease. The startling news is that about 1/3 of Americans suffer from high blood pressure, and in addition, about 37% of us pre pre-hypertensive. The article also makes it clear that salt elevates blood pressure, and how. It is not selective, and is not confined to "sensitive" individuals.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_73729.html

I had found some scientific references, but they got pretty specific for people who haven't had some background in biochemistry. This link is a good place to start, though, and you can branch out from there if you're interested.
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Oh for Christ's sakes, no one here debates whether too much salt is bad for you. So is too much of a lot of things, it doesn't warrant government going in and trying to protect people from their own choices.

ANY restaurant is happy to NOT add salt if that is what you like, and when you're in the grocery store, salt content is on the label. Do we really need to pay and have government to regulate what is very simple to regulate yourself if you choose to do it.
 
I understand that many if not most processed foods now have reduced salt content, and advertise their products accordingly. The proposed voluntary salt reduction in NYC refers to restaurants, not food on the shelves of grocery stores. People usually have no idea at all what's in the food that's prepared for them by strangers, and most are unlikely to ask. In fact, it seems that the majority of people have no idea that so many foodstuffs contain things that are bad for them.

If you looked at the article (you didn't, did you -- now be honest!) it is recommended that an adult take in no more than about a teaspoon of salt per day. That's cumulative, from all sources. Compared to what many people eat, that's not very much at all.

My husband and I rarely eat even takeout, and at home we eat only fresh food, no canned and very little frozen. It helps that I'm a good cook and fairly imaginative to go along with that.
 
Thorn said:
I understand that many if not most processed foods now have reduced salt content, and advertise their products accordingly. The proposed voluntary salt reduction in NYC refers to restaurants, not food on the shelves of grocery stores. People usually have no idea at all what's in the food that's prepared for them by strangers, and most are unlikely to ask. In fact, it seems that the majority of people have no idea that so many foodstuffs contain things that are bad for them.
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Thorn, government is force, if they don't get their way voluntarily, then they will resort to forcing people and businesses.
In fact at the end of the article I posted it says exactly that:
"Thomas Frieden, the city's health commissioner, said he wants manufacturers and restaurants to join the war on salt voluntarily. If they don't, the city could pass legislation making it the law. "

Thorn said:
If you looked at the article (you didn't, did you -- now be honest!) it is recommended that an adult take in no more than about a teaspoon of salt per day. That's cumulative, from all sources. Compared to what many people eat, that's not very much at all.
My husband and I rarely eat even takeout, and at home we eat only fresh food, no canned and very little frozen. It helps that I'm a good cook and fairly imaginative to go along with that.
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Well that's your choice in life, I respect it but please respect mine, I don't care about salt, I'm young, have great blood pressure, am in good shape and I just don't really care how much is in it, I never add salt myself but am not a fussy eater so I just take whatever and go with the taste.
That's the great thing about capitalism as opposed to government, you always have choice.
 
I'm all for choice, don't mistake that -- but it has to be informed choice. I've found the majority of people to be woefully uninformed, or even misinformed, about dietary health. Issues such as these tend at the very least to raise consciousness about diet and health; sadly school curricula seem to have left these topics aside, to the detriment of the living skills of their students.
 
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