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This whole discussion at the end was based on how much giving by the government is deemed "compassionate". Not quite sure how it got off on a number's tangent liked it did but apple has been arguing a heavy government welfare type society is "compassionate".

People can and do get off welfare in this country. I'm also not advocating we have no welfare and leave people down on their luck hanging out to dry. Within the confines of a welfare system there is room to debate what works best for people. My argument to apple was having generations of families stuck on welfare is not compassionate. And as has been discussed there are examples of where the system is set up where it hurts people trying to better themselves and thus at times works as a disincentive.

 

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I gave you a link to a .gov estimating tool, along with some figures I derived from using it. I provided the link to the tool instead of just the results so you can demonstrate to yourself how these programs work. You can enter any state, any region, any family size, any income.

And this was the one example, from one State, that I commented on; that you referred to.

f it is beyond your capacity to use it properly, that is not my fault.

Fuck off

As for how people use the system in a manner to provide themselves with a standard of living which is often above that of people working for their living, that, too, is one of my major gripes with the way we approach helping the "poor". Most people don't know what poor really is.

Are you referring to those that use their food stamps to buy premium cuts of steak?

And, no, making do with less is not in all cases limited to not having cable TV and the like. Though, even when it does, it just adds to the argument that assistance programs are designed to trap the people into government dependence. People like their little luxuries, and if not working that extra shift a month at Walmart means you can afford those premium cable channels, while working more means getting rid of cable all together, guess which most will choose. AND THAT IS THE SYSTEM'S INTENT!!! Because those self same people depending on that extra government dole for their little luxuries are certainly not going to vote for a political philosophy that does not believe those kinds of things should be supported. In fact, it is not accident that the same political philosophy that designed the assistance system also heavily promotes the idea that people are entitled to things like "economic equality".

It would seem that you believe that people should be able to get ahead, without any sacrifice

 

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Go ask a 3rd grader for lessons in reading comprehension. Go ask a 2nd grader to help you research online government entitlement calculators. Then maybe you can discuss this topic with something resembling a miniscule portion of intelligence.

And this was the one example, from one State, that I commented on; that you referred to.
Fuck off

LOL You can't even use an online resource correctly, and so it's the fault of the person who gave you the link? Grow a brain, dipstick. Anybody with one not jellied by their political masters can use the site to see if different states compare (which they will - it's a federal program.)

Are you too ass-heavy lazy to fill in the form yourself? Tough shit asswipe. Only proves your bent is to troll rather than discuss.

Looks like you've been taking lessons from Cypress. Ask for a reference showing an assistance program that diminishes benefits according to income, first claiming they do not do so at all, and when the reference is given, make up excuses why it is not good enough and try to imply you did not deny what the reference clearly proves.

Are you referring to those that use their food stamps to buy premium cuts of steak?

Among other things, yes. It's assinine the way the modern liberal has bought into the idea that society owes everyone a middle class standard of living, calling people who waste money on high fat prepared foods poor because they can't buy enough of the shit, while going home to 50" plasma TVs and cable service.

OTOH, there are those who are genuinely trying and getting punished for it by losing benefits faster than their income climbs. While they could get off the dole, why should they when their neighbors get it all by working half as much? I do NOT promote the idea that people SHOULD be getting this stuff - it is the SYSTEM that promotes it, and quite successfully; and THAT is what I am criticizing.

Once more for the brain dead - it is the way the system is designed that I (and others) object to. It promotes a culture of entitlement, then takes away that entitlement from people who try to bust out and make it on their own. People with strong work ethic will give up the entitlement in order to break free - and I applaud them. People who do not want to give up their entitlement will not, and will vote in a bloc for those who promise to continue their entitlement programs.

AND THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE SYSTEM'S DESIGN! Get it? The system is designed to trap people in it, brain wash them into thinking they deserve, just by existing, prime rib on food stamps, three bedroom apartments on housing subsidy, cash payments for having children, leaving what they make actually working at thier part time job free for luxuries people who actually earn what they have cannot afford.

And the PURPOSE of the design is to give the party which created and push the system more political power. Bottom line: it's about POLITICAL POWER, and has NOTHING to do with "compassion" as the brain dead liberal supporters of entitlement would have us believe.

It would seem that you believe that people should be able to get ahead, without any sacrifice

No, I am COMPLAINING that the SYSTEM is designed around promoting that attitude, coupled with the threat of taking those entitlements away if the recipients vote for the wrong party. Again, it's about political power, not compassion for the needy. If they were about compassion they'd design a system that promotes self reliance while assisting with minimal efficiency those who truly need the leg up. It would be cheaper per person to maintain, AND result in more people paying into the system instead of relying on it.