Liberals - NOW will you believe climate regulations bring job LOSSES?

Because all jobs are NOT being sent overseas, I've posted repeated FACTUAL links that show that it is far under 1% of those who are unemployed.

I understand if you feel that way and I understand that you are a good patriot who feels pride in America doing it all by itself. But we are all better off when we can trade freely because there is simply no nation that will be best at everything, nor needs to be.

And as for the banks I have already said that is a seperate issue and certainly the fault of the government for setting interest rates too low along with programs designed to increase aid and homeownership for people who could not sustain it.


We are not better off from globalization. We have a destroyed middle class. And banks are not a separate issue.
 
Are they lying when the stats show that far less than 1% are unemployed from outsourcing?

You are not better off because government has grown so much.

Not lying, but obscuring.

It might not be considered outsourcing if whole industries just move offshore. And is that real unemployment or the fake unemployment which drops people off the rolls arbitrarily at some point in time?
 
Not lying, but obscuring.

It might not be considered outsourcing if whole industries just move offshore. And is that real unemployment or the fake unemployment which drops people off the rolls arbitrarily at some point in time?

Let's accept what you said and do something crazy and double the rate of unemployment recorded due to outsourcing - it is STILL then under 1%

Let's give less government a try first before expanding government yet again.
 
Cap and trade would obviously raise prices, but the reform is very modest and wouldn't have much of an economic impact on way or the other.

Cap and trade PROBABLY comes into effect in 2011
http://www.arb.ca.gov/cc/capandtrade/capandtrade.htm

So it is not to blame if that is what you were saying as it does not yet even exist there.

More regulations mean you need more people and/or equipment and then ultimately time and money to do business, that will make prices rise as costs are usually passed on to some degree.
It kills jobs, most agreed on this before the recession and now you have the proof.
 
Let's accept what you said and do something crazy and double the rate of unemployment recorded due to outsourcing - it is STILL then under 1%

Let's give less government a try first before expanding government yet again.

I don't trust your numbers at all. Our massive trade deficit is a better indicator of the lopsided idiocy of outsourcing.

protectionism is not necessarily more government. It's more business, more jobs for americans.
 
So you think cap and trade is responsible for why prices rose?

I would imagine prices probably didn't go up that much because of deflation, but yes, their cap scheme (not sure if it's a cap and trade scheme) would cause prices to rise and jobs to be lost. But you could eliminate the jobs lost by providing jobs subsidies.

You would have to weigh the consequences against the benefits. I wouldn't honestly recommend that any one state unilaterally move to reduce benefits, because it doesn't make much of a difference one way or the other unless we act collectively.
 
You have so bought into this scheme that you are willing to risk American jobs without a scintilla of proof that it will create ANY meaningful change in the climate. There should be some real evidence that it is going to work before we do anything that will affect jobs at a time when jobs are at a premium.

LOL, no proof? This is hyperbole.

How would we go about proving it sufficiently? Well, this is how science works. You build a model, you say, "Hey, that might work!" and you test this model against reality. We've built models that would predict how the climate would change if our theories were correct, and they have matched actual climate change. This has been happening for decades.

You don't have to wait until the process is over with to prove it.

And, anyway, we need to get off of coal and oil. Cap and trade schemes merely provide us with one route to get there. At the very worst, we've made a tremendous investment in our future national security without also saving the planet.
 
I don't trust your numbers at all. Our massive trade deficit is a better indicator of the lopsided idiocy of outsourcing.

protectionism is not necessarily more government. It's more business, more jobs for americans.

Our trade deficit comes from two factors:

1.) Our high deficit levels and the taking on of foreign debt.

2.) Other countries pegging their currencies against ours and not letting them float - the biggest offender here is China.
 
Are they lying when the stats show that far less than 1% are unemployed from outsourcing?

You are not better off because government has grown so much.

Outsourcing could, plausibly, create more jobs if it increased efficiency in the economy enough. If the money instead goes to CEO bonuses, no, it doesn't help our jobs situation.
 
Efficiency matters shit when you don't have a job.

Efficiency could create more jobs.

There's no doubt that it's extremely detrimental to the unskilled. But, then again, it does further increase the incentive to get skilled, and it creates more skilled nations. I'd rather be a nation of skilled, high-wage workers than a nation of unskilled workers...
 
Efficiency could create more jobs.

There's no doubt that it's extremely detrimental to the unskilled. But, then again, it does further increase the incentive to get skilled, and it creates more skilled nations. I'd rather be a nation of skilled, high-wage workers than a nation of unskilled workers...

They're outsourcing high skilled jobs as well. The only safe position is politician or banker.

It's not about scarcity of skill, its about finding people who will accept being treated like throwaway slaves.
 
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