liberal feminist on sharia law~

Ice Dancer said:
Stop the Spread of Sharia Law in America

Her petition:

Targeting: The President of the United States, The U.S. Senate, and The U.S. House of Representatives
Started by: Michelle Coonradt

I am an American woman that enjoys my rights that have been obtained through the hard work, courage and stamina of women before me. I am thankful for my right to vote and to run my own business. After much research into the growing Islamic population in America, I am alarmed at the Islamic community's forceful intrusion upon women's rights in our country. The Islamic extremist muslims which are infiltrating our country do not want to assimulate into our society but are looking to have Sharia be the ruling government. This is very menacing as the rights that women have fought so fiercely to obtain will be taken away and women will then be imprisoned by the Sharia laws. The Islamic Sharia Laws enforce such things as a woman being beaten for not wearing a head covering, death for sexual relations outside of marriage, etc. Noor Faleh Almaleki, the young Arizona Muslim woman who was run over by her father for being too westernized has already died in our country. We must act now to stop this movement. I suggest that the women of America, all women's organizations, unite and push for legislation that will prohibit any state in our country from recognizing the Sharia laws.
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Oh Jesus fucking christ you bigot. Show me one god damned documented case where Muslims have enforced sharia in the United States. Just one!
 
The entire site where the petion is posted is a site dedicated to "progressive" causes. The point of the thread was that being opposed to sharia law being allowed or parcticed in the US is not a coservative only position.
 
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tom prendergast said:
We have had the same debate in the UK, the only aspect of Sharia law that is given the time of day is divorce and family matters but even that has been rejected. These clowns would have you believe that there would be an American version of Chop Chop Square on Constitution Avenue if the dastardly Muslims got their way. It seems as if they have replaced the Russians as the new bête noire.

The ironic thing is that there were many people on the extreme right, in previous years, that admired Saudi Arabia and stated that their version of an eye for eye was a good thing.
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Some of these articles are just mind-boggling; manufactured controversies designed to stir up the fears of people who accept everything at face value and don't take the time to do a little research as to veracity.

And your comments about SA are right on; after all, conservatives see the world in more black-and-white terms than liberals and nothing could be more black and white than ultraconservative Sharia law.

Which reminds me of something I read today about SA, but I'll start a new thread on it.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Oh Jesus fucking christ you bigot. Show me one god damned documented case where Muslims have enforced sharia in the United States. Just one!
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Fuck you asshole! I am not a bigot. I am against sharia law being an accepted practice that can circumvent our already established laws!

New Jersey judge sees no evidence that a Muslim committed sexual assault of his wife -- not because he didn't do it, but because he was acting on his Islamic beliefs: "This court does not feel that, under the circumstances, that this defendant had a criminal desire to or intent to sexually assault or to sexually contact the plaintiff when he did. The court believes that he was operating under his belief that it is, as the husband, his desire to have sex when and whether he wanted to, was something that was consistent with his practices and it was something that was not prohibited."

artical here
 
Ice Dancer said:
The entire site where the petion is posted is a site dedicated to "progressive" causes. The point of the thread was that being opposed to sharia law being allowed or parcticed in the US is not a coservative only position.
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How do you know that the poster is a feminist? I doubt that if it's the first time that somebody posts on a board pretending to be something they are not.
 
tom prendergast said:
How do you know that the poster is a feminist? I doubt that if it's the first time that somebody posts on a board pretending to be something they are not.
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They accept anybody's petition. It's not limited to liberal causes.

"Within each community anyone can start an online petition, sign petitions related to their interests, and magnify their impact by sharing each petition with friends."

Michelle Coonradt also has her own page on: http://www.resistnet.com/

Hardly a bastion of liberal thought.

What is ResistNet?
ResistNet.com is the official social network of Grassfire Nation. ResistNet is a place where citizens can resist -- in a peaceful, patriotic way -- the efforts to move our nation away from our heritage of individual liberties toward “brave new world” of collectivism. ResistNet is designed to give citizens a new level of networking resources to organize the Patriotic Resistance.

What is Grassfire Nation?
Grassfire Nation is a networking website that serves more than one million grassroots conservatives across the nation. For the past decade the word “Grassfire” has come to symbolize cutting edge grassroots conservative online citizen networking. Now the legacy of “Grassfire” continues through Grassfire Nation — a division of Grassroots Action, a privately-held Internet activism services organization that provides news, information and grassroots activism services to individuals and organizations. We seek to provide a wide array of services to the Grassfire Nation so YOU can take action. These services include petitions, resources and practical ways for you to take a stand on key issues of our day. Our goal is to provide information and resources to grassroots conservatives so you can expand your impact. Through the Grassfire Nation, our singular focus in on YOU -- the grassroots conservative. Steve Elliott bio.
 
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tom prendergast said:
How do you know that the poster is a feminist? I doubt that if it's the first time that somebody posts on a board pretending to be something they are not.
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It's a progressive site. You have to apply to post your petitions. I guess 1+1 usually still equals 2. They certainly did not disaprove of the content or intent of the petition. Having read through the site; its progressive beliefs, I came to a conclusion...fairly. That does not leave out the possibility that a progressive site focused on progressive attitudes and opinions allowed for something they would otherwise disagree with...though they have no disclaimers for such possibilities on their site.
 
Ice Dancer said:
It's a progressive site. You have to apply to post your petitions. I guess 1+1 usually still equals 2. They certainly did not disaprove of the content or intent of the petition. Having read through the site; its progressive beliefs, I came to a conclusion...fairly. That does not leave out the possibility that a progressive site focused on progressive attitudes and opinions allowed for something they would otherwise disagree with...though they have no disclaimers for such possibilities on their site.
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You aren't a smart person.
 
Ice Dancer said:
Stop the Spread of Sharia Law in America

Her petition:

Targeting: The President of the United States, The U.S. Senate, and The U.S. House of Representatives
Started by: Michelle Coonradt

I am an American woman that enjoys my rights that have been obtained through the hard work, courage and stamina of women before me. I am thankful for my right to vote and to run my own business. After much research into the growing Islamic population in America, I am alarmed at the Islamic community's forceful intrusion upon women's rights in our country. The Islamic extremist muslims which are infiltrating our country do not want to assimulate into our society but are looking to have Sharia be the ruling government. This is very menacing as the rights that women have fought so fiercely to obtain will be taken away and women will then be imprisoned by the Sharia laws. The Islamic Sharia Laws enforce such things as a woman being beaten for not wearing a head covering, death for sexual relations outside of marriage, etc. Noor Faleh Almaleki, the young Arizona Muslim woman who was run over by her father for being too westernized has already died in our country. We must act now to stop this movement. I suggest that the women of America, all women's organizations, unite and push for legislation that will prohibit any state in our country from recognizing the Sharia laws.
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Looks like some obscure webstie where any hack can post a petition.

"Liberal feminist"? HaHa! I totally bet this petition was started by some fat ass male wingnut, posing as a "liberal feminist". Am I supposed to believe this petition is totally independent of, is completely unrelated and has nothing to do with the last two months of wingnut paranoia, lies, and blathering about the ground zero Manhattan mosque community center?

While I can't speak for women, I read enough crap on lefty feminist blogs to have a passing familiarity with the tone, and nature of what issues they are writing about. They're more concerned with conservative/republican attacks on reproductive choice, on misogyny in the media and american society at large, and with equality and fair pay.

To the extent they worry about Sharia Law, its in the context of the oppression of Saudi women, or Kuwati women. Educated liberal feminists are definitely not peeing their beds about the alleged horrors of Sharia Law in America. They're not that stupid, or paranoid. That sharia-in-America shit is a rightwing fantasy only idiots, dupes, and propagandists subscribe to. That's why I'm 96.7386 percent sure the author of this article is not a "liberal feminist", but is probably some dupe like Dixie or Asshat.
 
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America is not endanger of falling to Sharia law but what about Europe with its rapidly growing muslim numbers and declining european population. Muslims immigrate to Europe in large numbers and muslims in Europe actually have children. Is Europe going to fall to Sharia Law?
 
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hotdog said:
America is not endanger of falling to Sharia law but what about Europe with its rapidly growing muslim numbers and declining european population. Muslims immigrate to Europe in large numbers and muslims in Europe actually have children. Is Europe going to fall to Sharia Law?
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We are in danger, obviously. It's not just a europe thing.
 
AssHatZombie said:
We are in danger, obviously. It's not just a europe thing.
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Are immigrants come from North and South America these people are catholic not muslim. The white majority stays at replacement level. Mexicans have children. How is such a small muslim minority going to take over America. When the Mexicans are rapidly growing and Whites remain stable. America also gets immigrants from China, Vietnam, Japan, India which are not muslim. The majority of people immigrating to America from Asia are not muslim. It seems that the muslims have no hope of becoming a majority or even a large minority. America also has a large black christain minority. This country is safe from Sharia law. How are the muslims going to take over without large numbers. They can't even take up over India.
 
Cypress said:
Looks like some obscure webstie where any hack can post a petition.

"Liberal feminist"? HaHa! I totally bet this petition was started by some fat ass male wingnut, posing as a "liberal feminist". Am I supposed to believe this petition is totally independent of, is completely unrelated and has nothing to do with the last two months of wingnut paranoia, lies, and blathering about the ground zero Manhattan mosque community center?

While I can't speak for women, I read enough crap on lefty feminist blogs to have a passing familiarity with the tone, and nature of what issues they are writing about. They're more concerned with conservative/republican attacks on reproductive choice, on misogyny in the media and american society at large, and with equality and fair pay.

To the extent they worry about Sharia Law, its in the context of the oppression of Saudi women, or Kuwati women. Educated liberal feminists are definitely not peeing their beds about the alleged horrors of Sharia Law in America. They're not that stupid, or paranoid. That sharia-in-America shit is a rightwing fantasy only idiots, dupes, and propagandists subscribe to. That's why I'm 96.7386 percent sure the author of this article is not a "liberal feminist", but is probably some dupe like Dixie or Asshat.
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What a fucking ass-wipe post! Sharia law in this country has given a judge in liberal NJ of all places to project onto a Muslim marriage the right of a husband to forcibly rape his wife! Like you are so in touch with women’s issues that you think this would not be repugnant to women...all women!
 
Ice Dancer said:
What a fucking ass-wipe post! Sharia law in this country has given a judge in liberal NJ of all places to project onto a Muslim marriage the right of a husband to forcibly rape his wife! Like you are so in touch with women’s issues that you think this would not be repugnant to women...all women!
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You mean that case where the idiot judge was promptly overturned on appeal and the husband was subsequently indicted on criminal charges? That one? Get a grip. This case is not evidence creeping Sharia but is actually a rejection of principles of Sharia.

I would also add that in the United States spousal rape was legal for a long long time, with the first actual prohibition of spousal rape passing in the 1970s so this concept is not something unique to Sharia.
 
Rana said:
Klaatu, at this point, Sharia is by choice in the USA. I do not see it becoming a forced issue for some time, but I like others, plan to keep an eye on its advance, after all, being a progressive, I will be one of their first targets! Islam has it degrees of oppression, just like Christianity. Christians have come a long way, but there are factions, although fringe that would not be too different from the Taliban in their enforcement of the the OT laws if given the chance and laws did not restrict their nature. I have been reading about some very interesting groups that existed or exist in the USA and all of them tied to Christian thinking. They are not as vocal as Fred Phelps, but they are crazier.

All of the things you have mentioned are along the same lines of Conspiracy theories as the ones that Bush orchestrated 9/11. There may be am atomic sized bit of truth in the matter, but and there is always some big buts!

One should take note of CT, but one must also weigh their true nature and see if it is concern, a real issue or just something to put away in the recesses of ones minds and deal with the real issues that face this nation, like how to create jobs and bring back unity and true patriotism and not this forced crap, making people afraid of their next door neighbors for irrational reasons. I am not your enemy, no matter what all the pundits are saying and you are not mine, we have common grounds and this is what we need to find instead of all these people trying to exaggerate our differences. The USA destruction will come from within, as was predicted, if we keep finding an enemy that doesn't exist but is fabricated by a bunch of people who want to make money off creating these divisions amongst us. I believe it is more important now, than ever before to find a common voice and restore the USA.

It scares me that there are people who believe that I am more dangerous to the USA than is a foreign terrorists. What kind of thinking is that? I know that there are individuals who a danger to me, but as a group, I do not see conservatives as more dangerous to the USA than foreign terrorists, that is just ridiculous.

History has proven that when religion and politics mix it can be a very dangerous combination and it usually comes at a time when a nation and a people are down and need hope. America is ripe for a bad combination right now and this scares me, whether it is Muslim, Christian or Buddhist, I don't want it to happen. The two are like gasoline and matches in my opinion and only leads to one side being very oppressed!
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Hasn't a lack of religion been even more dangerous. More people have died in the name of atheism then religion. Looked at all the people that died under communism and nazism.
 
NigelTufnel said:
You mean that case where the idiot judge was promptly overturned on appeal and the husband was subsequently indicted on criminal charges? That one? Get a grip. This case is not evidence creeping Sharia but is actually a rejection of principles of Sharia.

I would also add that in the United States spousal rape was legal for a long long time, with the first actual prohibition of spousal rape passing in the 1970s so this concept is not something unique to Sharia.
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Way to go ...yeah defend it by taking us back 40 years. hoople asked for a case I gave him one. We now have the state of Texas allowing a sharia court to be convened.
 
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