Bfgrn
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Originally Posted by Bfgrn
Today's political parties bear little resemblance to the parties of the later half of the 1800's that carried the label Republican and Democratic. The issue of blacks and segregation in this country have been historically divided by a line; the Mason Dixon line, not party lines...
The Civil Rights Act of 1957 - You mean the recommendations of President Truman's Civil Rights Committee that Eisenhower adopted from 1947?
Republican sponsored 1964 Civil Rights Act??? I didn't know liberals Jack Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson were Republicans... you learn something new every day!
To call progressive ideas like equal rights for blacks conservative ideals is beyond stupid... it is true pea brainism...LOL
Southern Man replied:
1. Actually, the history shows the stubborn racism that exists as strong today in the Democrat Party, as I have so demonstrated.
Actually, ALL you have demonstrated is that you post right wing propaganda without giving any links. WHY no links.....???
All you have demonstrated is you have no understanding of my first statement. The Republican Party of Lincoln, a Liberal, is not the current party of right wing pea brains that play "Barack the magic negro" and listen to racists like Limbaugh.
2. The Mason-Dixon line was also the dividing line between parties, with huge GOP majorities in the North followed by huge Democrat majorities in the South.
Huge GOP majorities in the north; 162 to 154? The ONLY huge majority was southern Democrats; 115 vs 11 southern Republicans. As I said, there was no such thing as a Dixiecan.
88th Congress (1964)
Senate
* Democratic (D):63 (majority)
* Republican (R): 37
TOTAL members: 100
House of Representatives
* Democratic (D): 259 (majority)
* Republican (R): 176
TOTAL members: 435
1964 Civil Rights Act
The original House version:
* Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
* Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)
* Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
* Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)
The Senate version:
* Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%)
* Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%)
* Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%)
* Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%)
3. Actually, the original draft of the 1957 bill was penned by Herbert Brownell, Eisenhower’s Attorney General. Brownell was former chairman of the RNC.
In 1955, President Dwight D. Eisenhower sought a centrist agenda for civil rights progress. Urged by Attorney General Herbert Brownell, in his 1956 State of the Union message Eisenhower adopted the 1947 recommendations of President Truman's Civil Rights Committee. Brownell introduced legislation on these lines on 11 March 1956, seeking an independent Civil Rights Commission, a Department of Justice civil rights division, and broader authority to enforce civil rights and voters' rights, especially the ability to enforce civil rights injunctions through contempt proceedings.
http://www.answers.com/topic/civil-rights-act-of-1957
4. Kennedy’s version of the bill drafted in February 1963 was a watered down version of what the GOP had introduced one month previous. The actual 1964 Act was based on the 1875 Act, working around the Supreme Court’s decision in 1883 that found it violated the 14th Amendment. Chief sponsors were Republicans Everett Dirksen and Richard Nixon. Chief opposition were Democrats Sam Ervin, Al Gore Sr., and of course Robert Byrd, who filibustered for 14 hours. Final vote tallies in the House were 80% of Republicans and 63% of Democrats voting yes. In the Senate, 21 out of the 27 no votes were Democrats.
In 1964 Richard Nixon was OUT of politics, having lost the 1962 California Governor's election. Everett Dirksen WAS an important player in passing Kennedy's bill.
Hey, IF Nixon was such a big supporter of civil rights, WHY did he lack the courage to place a phone call to Coretta King in 1960 when Martin was arrested???...Jack Kennedy DID!
Why Do Blacks Vote for Democrats? MLK, JFK, and LBJ
Presidential Vote and Party Identification of African Americans, 1956-1964
In October of 1960, less then three weeks before the presidential election, Martin Luther King Jr., already recognized as Black America’s most prominent civil rights leader, had been arrested in Georgia on a traffic technicality: he was still using his Alabama license, although by then he had lived in Georgia for three months.
A swift series of moves by the state’s segregationist power structure resulted in King being sentenced to four months of hard labor on a Georgia chain gang. He was quickly spirited away to the state’s maximum security prison, and many of his supporters, fearing for his life, urgently called both the Nixon and Kennedy camps for help.
Nixon, about to campaign in South Carolina in hopes of capturing the sate’s normally solid Democratic vote, took no action. Kennedy took swift action. He made a brief telephone call to a frantic Coretta Scott King, speaking in soothing generalities and telling her, “If there’s anything I can do to help, please feel free to call on me.”
It’s likely that Kennedy did not at that moment realize the political implications of that call. Ever the pragmatist, he had resisted the pleas of several aides throughout the campaign that he take bolder public stands on civil rights issues. The telephone call came because one aide caught him late at night after a hard day of campaigning and staff meetings as he was about to turn in. The aide, Harris Wofford, pitched it as just a call to calm King’s fearful spouse. Kennedy replied, “What the hell. That’s a decent thing to do. Why not? Get her on the phone.”
King was soon released, unharmed, due to a groundswell of pressure directed by blacks and whites in numerous quarters toward Georgia officials (Robert F. Kennedy himself, who was managing his brother’s campaign called the judge who sentenced King to prison). At the time, the white media paid little attention to the call, which suited the Kennedys fine. But it likely transformed the black vote. King’s father, Martin Luther King Sr., a dominating, fire-and-brimstone preacher with wide influence throughout Black America, had, like many black Southerners, always been a Republican and until that moment had said he couldn’t vote for Kennedy because he was a Catholic.
(But) the day his son was released from prison, the elder King thundered from the pulpit of his famed Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta: “I had expected to vote against Senator Kennedy because of his religion. But now he can be my president, Catholic or whatever he is… He has the moral courage to stand up for what he knows is right. I’ve got all my votes and I’ve got a suitcase, and I’m going to take them up there and dump them in his lap.”
From that moment on, JFK’s bond with blacks, despite his initial tepid support for the movement, was sealed. His assassination, less than six months after proposing what became the Civil Rights Act of 1964, cemented his place of honor among blacks: for years afterward, inexpensive commemorative plates with his likeness were ubiquitous in the homes of blacks across the country. And when his successor, Lyndon Baines Johnson, took up the civil rights cause and pushed both the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act through Congress, black voters moved in massive numbers to the Democratic party.
5. Modern Conservative revere the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. What part of “all Men are created equal” do you fail to understand?
WHAT don't I understand? How pea brains that play "Barack the magic negro" and listen to racists like Limbaugh can be stupid enough to call themselves civil rights advocates.
Today's political parties bear little resemblance to the parties of the later half of the 1800's that carried the label Republican and Democratic. The issue of blacks and segregation in this country have been historically divided by a line; the Mason Dixon line, not party lines...
The Civil Rights Act of 1957 - You mean the recommendations of President Truman's Civil Rights Committee that Eisenhower adopted from 1947?
Republican sponsored 1964 Civil Rights Act??? I didn't know liberals Jack Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson were Republicans... you learn something new every day!
To call progressive ideas like equal rights for blacks conservative ideals is beyond stupid... it is true pea brainism...LOL
Southern Man replied:
1. Actually, the history shows the stubborn racism that exists as strong today in the Democrat Party, as I have so demonstrated.
Actually, ALL you have demonstrated is that you post right wing propaganda without giving any links. WHY no links.....???
All you have demonstrated is you have no understanding of my first statement. The Republican Party of Lincoln, a Liberal, is not the current party of right wing pea brains that play "Barack the magic negro" and listen to racists like Limbaugh.
2. The Mason-Dixon line was also the dividing line between parties, with huge GOP majorities in the North followed by huge Democrat majorities in the South.
Huge GOP majorities in the north; 162 to 154? The ONLY huge majority was southern Democrats; 115 vs 11 southern Republicans. As I said, there was no such thing as a Dixiecan.
88th Congress (1964)
Senate
* Democratic (D):63 (majority)
* Republican (R): 37
TOTAL members: 100
House of Representatives
* Democratic (D): 259 (majority)
* Republican (R): 176
TOTAL members: 435
1964 Civil Rights Act
The original House version:
* Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
* Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)
* Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
* Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)
The Senate version:
* Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%)
* Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%)
* Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%)
* Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%)
3. Actually, the original draft of the 1957 bill was penned by Herbert Brownell, Eisenhower’s Attorney General. Brownell was former chairman of the RNC.
In 1955, President Dwight D. Eisenhower sought a centrist agenda for civil rights progress. Urged by Attorney General Herbert Brownell, in his 1956 State of the Union message Eisenhower adopted the 1947 recommendations of President Truman's Civil Rights Committee. Brownell introduced legislation on these lines on 11 March 1956, seeking an independent Civil Rights Commission, a Department of Justice civil rights division, and broader authority to enforce civil rights and voters' rights, especially the ability to enforce civil rights injunctions through contempt proceedings.
http://www.answers.com/topic/civil-rights-act-of-1957
4. Kennedy’s version of the bill drafted in February 1963 was a watered down version of what the GOP had introduced one month previous. The actual 1964 Act was based on the 1875 Act, working around the Supreme Court’s decision in 1883 that found it violated the 14th Amendment. Chief sponsors were Republicans Everett Dirksen and Richard Nixon. Chief opposition were Democrats Sam Ervin, Al Gore Sr., and of course Robert Byrd, who filibustered for 14 hours. Final vote tallies in the House were 80% of Republicans and 63% of Democrats voting yes. In the Senate, 21 out of the 27 no votes were Democrats.
In 1964 Richard Nixon was OUT of politics, having lost the 1962 California Governor's election. Everett Dirksen WAS an important player in passing Kennedy's bill.
Hey, IF Nixon was such a big supporter of civil rights, WHY did he lack the courage to place a phone call to Coretta King in 1960 when Martin was arrested???...Jack Kennedy DID!
Why Do Blacks Vote for Democrats? MLK, JFK, and LBJ
Presidential Vote and Party Identification of African Americans, 1956-1964
In October of 1960, less then three weeks before the presidential election, Martin Luther King Jr., already recognized as Black America’s most prominent civil rights leader, had been arrested in Georgia on a traffic technicality: he was still using his Alabama license, although by then he had lived in Georgia for three months.
A swift series of moves by the state’s segregationist power structure resulted in King being sentenced to four months of hard labor on a Georgia chain gang. He was quickly spirited away to the state’s maximum security prison, and many of his supporters, fearing for his life, urgently called both the Nixon and Kennedy camps for help.
Nixon, about to campaign in South Carolina in hopes of capturing the sate’s normally solid Democratic vote, took no action. Kennedy took swift action. He made a brief telephone call to a frantic Coretta Scott King, speaking in soothing generalities and telling her, “If there’s anything I can do to help, please feel free to call on me.”
It’s likely that Kennedy did not at that moment realize the political implications of that call. Ever the pragmatist, he had resisted the pleas of several aides throughout the campaign that he take bolder public stands on civil rights issues. The telephone call came because one aide caught him late at night after a hard day of campaigning and staff meetings as he was about to turn in. The aide, Harris Wofford, pitched it as just a call to calm King’s fearful spouse. Kennedy replied, “What the hell. That’s a decent thing to do. Why not? Get her on the phone.”
King was soon released, unharmed, due to a groundswell of pressure directed by blacks and whites in numerous quarters toward Georgia officials (Robert F. Kennedy himself, who was managing his brother’s campaign called the judge who sentenced King to prison). At the time, the white media paid little attention to the call, which suited the Kennedys fine. But it likely transformed the black vote. King’s father, Martin Luther King Sr., a dominating, fire-and-brimstone preacher with wide influence throughout Black America, had, like many black Southerners, always been a Republican and until that moment had said he couldn’t vote for Kennedy because he was a Catholic.
(But) the day his son was released from prison, the elder King thundered from the pulpit of his famed Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta: “I had expected to vote against Senator Kennedy because of his religion. But now he can be my president, Catholic or whatever he is… He has the moral courage to stand up for what he knows is right. I’ve got all my votes and I’ve got a suitcase, and I’m going to take them up there and dump them in his lap.”
From that moment on, JFK’s bond with blacks, despite his initial tepid support for the movement, was sealed. His assassination, less than six months after proposing what became the Civil Rights Act of 1964, cemented his place of honor among blacks: for years afterward, inexpensive commemorative plates with his likeness were ubiquitous in the homes of blacks across the country. And when his successor, Lyndon Baines Johnson, took up the civil rights cause and pushed both the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act through Congress, black voters moved in massive numbers to the Democratic party.
5. Modern Conservative revere the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. What part of “all Men are created equal” do you fail to understand?
WHAT don't I understand? How pea brains that play "Barack the magic negro" and listen to racists like Limbaugh can be stupid enough to call themselves civil rights advocates.
