Liberal AP refuses to use the word "Islamic terror."

anatta said:
The group first began referring to itself as the Islamic State (الدولة الإسلامية ad-Dawlah al-Islāmiyah) or IS in June 2014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant
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calling them Da'ish ( daesh) seems to be the best. They hate it, it's insulting, and it mocks their claim as "Islamic State".
But there has to be some ties to "radical Islam" ( sic) -after all that is what the phenomena is.

It's surely not "violent extremists" -I could say the same about Westboro Baptists-it loses all specificity of meaning.
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I think that is exactly how they should refer to them.... Nothing more.. Calling them isis or the so called isis or isisl gives them some air of respectability/legitimacy..

You could say, so I could I, but we aren't living in saudi Arabia, Jordan etc........ See the difference??
 
anatta said:
I was listening to a bit of an interview by an NSA Middle East Analyst while driving.
He basically said using religion to search/analyze was prohibited (or ignored) - by the Obama adm. so they were "searching in the dark"

I didn't hear much more, but the gist was they were not using full intelligence gathering, because of political correctness
towards Islam.
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Isn't that a good thing? Less NSA snooping into innocent Muslims.
 
Bill said:
I think that is exactly how they should refer to them.... Nothing more.. Calling them isis or the so called isis or isisl gives them some air of respectability/legitimacy..

You could say, so I could I, but we aren't living in saudi Arabia, Jordan etc........ See the difference??
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No, not at all. You call them what they are genocidal, Muslim lunatics.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
That post somewhat resembles your sig pic lol.

They either care or they don't and I picked my option: they don't care. It's not like jihadist recruiters are lacking for recruitment material. In fact, their primary source is the Koran and Hadith.

Only *after* an individual is radicalized would they be further persuaded by the prospect of the Great Satan declaring war on Islam.

By then, the damage is already done. By then, they are ready to kill and die for Islam. Nothing we say will change that either way.
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You are picking your audience........ No one gives a fuck what they think...........

It's the others ones that we have to deal w/, work w/ that will be offended...... What don't you see about that??
 
anatta said:
I was listening to a bit of an interview by an NSA Middle East Analyst while driving.
He basically said using religion to search/analyze was prohibited (or ignored) - by the Obama adm. so they were "searching in the dark"

I didn't hear much more, but the gist was they were not using full intelligence gathering, because of political correctness
towards Islam.
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They are full of it. Islam has been using religion as a shield from criticism for 1400 years. When it first began, Mo the Pedophile and his merry men decided they needed something to shield them from the intense criticism they were getting from the sane people of Arabia. They chose religion. After all nobody wants to go up against God, right ? So the hoodwinked some of the people into believing the Koran was the word of God, and forced others to go along at the point of a sword.
1400 years late this lunacy still exists, with millions of people calling thwmselves Muslims, who only are that because their ancestors were killed or forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way fo someinr to call himself a Muslim.

Today most people around the world do not regard Islam to be a religion, and know it fo the scam that it is. Even some nations don't accept it as a religion (Example - Italy)

Italy Islam Not Recognized as a Religion 8212 Denied Religious Tax Status The Muslim Times

https://themuslimtimes.info/2012/05...-as-a-religion-denied-religious-tax-status-2/

Why Islam is Not a Religion Rebecca Bynum

http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/100100/sec_id/100100

Islam Watch - About Us

http://www.islam-watch.org/IW/aboutus.htm

Islam Is Not A Religion It Is Foreign Law

http://canadafreepress.com/article/islam-is-not-a-religion-it-is-foreign-law

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system. Avid Editor s Insights

https://avideditor.wordpress.com/20...ion-nor-is-it-a-cult-it-is-a-complete-system/

Info on Islam Islam is not a religion

http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2011/03/islam-is-not-religion.html

The Patriot Factor Islam is NOT a Religion

http://thepatriotfactor.blogspot.com/p/islkam-is-not-religion.html

Islam: Politics In Religious Garb

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina21228.htm

Islam not a religion The Immanent Frame

http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2010/07/28/islam-not-a-religion/

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2010/08/14/former-muslim-wafa-sultan-says-islam-is-not-a-religion/

Islam is a political system – NOT a religion

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2011/09/19/islam-is-a-political-system-not-a-religion/
 
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Bill said:
You are picking your audience........ No one gives a fuck what they think...........

It's the others ones that we have to deal w/, work w/ that will be offended...... What don't you see about that??
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Speaking as a religionist myself, I would be way, way, way more offended at my fellow religionists who were beheading people etc in the name of my religion, than I would if someone used the word 'radical Christian' in describing them.

Why would Muslims think differently?
 
protectionist said:
They are full of it. Islam has been using religion as a shield from criticism for 1400 years. When it first began, Mo the Pedophile and his merry men decided they needed something to shield them from the intense criticism they were getting from the sane people of Arabia. They chose religion. After all nobody wants to go up against God, right ? So the hoodwinked some of the people into believing the Koran was the word of God, and forced others to go along at the point of a sword.
1400 years late this lunacy still exists, with millions of people calling thwmselves Muslims, who only are that because their ancestors were killed or forced to become Muslims. Hell of a way fo someinr to call himself a Muslim.

Today most people around the world do not regard Islam to be a religion, and know it fo the scam that it is. Even some nations don't accept it as a religion (Example - Italy)

Italy Islam Not Recognized as a Religion 8212 Denied Religious Tax Status The Muslim Times

https://themuslimtimes.info/2012/05...-as-a-religion-denied-religious-tax-status-2/

Why Islam is Not a Religion Rebecca Bynum

http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/100100/sec_id/100100

Islam Watch - About Us

http://www.islam-watch.org/IW/aboutus.htm

Islam Is Not A Religion It Is Foreign Law

http://canadafreepress.com/article/islam-is-not-a-religion-it-is-foreign-law

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system. Avid Editor s Insights

https://avideditor.wordpress.com/20...ion-nor-is-it-a-cult-it-is-a-complete-system/

Info on Islam Islam is not a religion

http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2011/03/islam-is-not-religion.html

The Patriot Factor Islam is NOT a Religion

http://thepatriotfactor.blogspot.com/p/islkam-is-not-religion.html

Islam: Politics In Religious Garb

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina21228.htm

Islam not a religion The Immanent Frame

http://blogs.ssrc.org/tif/2010/07/28/islam-not-a-religion/

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2010/08/14/former-muslim-wafa-sultan-says-islam-is-not-a-religion/

Islam is a political system – NOT a religion

https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2011/09/19/islam-is-a-political-system-not-a-religion/
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ROFL!

I see nothing but desperate attempts to marginalize Islam so Islamophobes can justify violating the 1st amendment.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Speaking as a religionist myself, I would be way, way, way more offended at my fellow religionists who were beheading people etc in the name of my religion, than I would if someone used the word 'radical Christian' in describing them.

Why would Muslims think differently?
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That's you, now isn't it..

Perhaps you should go to saudi Arabia & ask them??

But leave your bible @ home, I would hate to see you lose a limb or something.....
 
Bill said:
I think that is exactly how they should refer to them.... Nothing more.. Calling them isis or the so called isis or isisl gives them some air of respectability/legitimacy..

You could say, so I could I, but we aren't living in saudi Arabia, Jordan etc........ See the difference??
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yet we don't. we'll call it "al-Qaeda" or "AQ Affiliates" - for some reason Obama calls them "ISIL" on the battlefield
but won't use any such terms on terrorism. It's politically correct -but an incorrect misnomer.

It dilutes, and misrepresents -as I mentioned before I heard (part of) and interview with an NSA ME Analyst.
He was saying as part of his duties to ferret out "Middle east influenced terrorism" ( his words) -
he could not search/use anything that had "Islam/Muslim" in the title ( like Islamic terrorism)..how crazy is that?
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I don't know how much reading you have done by RAND or Army War College -
but I assure you the terminology does NOT include "violent extremists" :palm:

Yet these are 2 go to sources . Look at this for ex. it's a think tank strategy:

How Terrorist Groups End: Lessons for Countering al Qa'ida
http://www.rand.org/nsrd/projects/terrorism-incidents.html

or this: worldwide studies of counterterrorism strategy

US Army War College -Strategic Studies Institute
http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/
 
protectionist said:
Uttering cute, little silly notions do nothing much. Obama's refusals to say "Islamic terror" are just simply an identification of him as the Islamist, jihad sympathizer, traitor to America that he is. That's all. In practical terms, once he's out of office, and Trump is in, he could be tied for treason, convicted, and executed. He's done far worse stuff than Saddam Hussein ever did.
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So why didn't bush and co. ever use the words "Islamic terror"?
 
christiefan915 said:
So why didn't bush and co. ever use the words "Islamic terror"?
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they did use "Global War on Terror" - which Obama retired also. He's used another equally meaningless phrase for that too ( see below).
He won't even use "Long War"

Obama Scraps 'Global War on Terror' for 'Overseas Contingency Operation'
In a memo sent this week from the Defense Department's office of security to Pentagon staffers, members were told, "this administration prefers to avoid using the term 'Long War' or 'Global War on Terror' [GWOT.] Please use 'Overseas Contingency Operation
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/200...ar-terror-overseas-contingency-operation.html
 
anatta said:
they did use "Global War on Terror" - which Obama retired also. He's used another equally meaningless phrase for that too ( see below).
He won't even use "Long War"

Obama Scraps 'Global War on Terror' for 'Overseas Contingency Operation'
In a memo sent this week from the Defense Department's office of security to Pentagon staffers, members were told, "this administration prefers to avoid using the term 'Long War' or 'Global War on Terror' [GWOT.] Please use 'Overseas Contingency Operation
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/200...ar-terror-overseas-contingency-operation.html
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Over Seas Contingency Operation might be my favorite lol.
 
anatta said:
they did use "Global War on Terror" - which Obama retired also. He's used another equally meaningless phrase for that too ( see below).
He won't even use "Long War"

Obama Scraps 'Global War on Terror' for 'Overseas Contingency Operation'
In a memo sent this week from the Defense Department's office of security to Pentagon staffers, members were told, "this administration prefers to avoid using the term 'Long War' or 'Global War on Terror' [GWOT.] Please use 'Overseas Contingency Operation
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/200...ar-terror-overseas-contingency-operation.html
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I always thought "war on terror" was nonsensical.

"In 2013, President Barack Obama announced that the United States was no longer pursuing a War on Terror, as the military focus should be on specific enemies rather than a tactic. He stated, "We must define our effort not as a boundless 'Global War on Terror', but rather as a series of persistent, targeted efforts to dismantle specific networks of violent extremists that threaten America."
 
christiefan915 said:
I always thought "war on terror" was nonsensical.

"In 2013, President Barack Obama announced that the United States was no longer pursuing a War on Terror, as the military focus should be on specific enemies rather than a tactic. He stated, "We must define our effort not as a boundless 'Global War on Terror', but rather as a series of persistent, targeted efforts to dismantle specific networks of violent extremists that threaten America."
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I think it's fits exactly. I'm not fond of "War on this and that" ( what's the latest - war on sugar??)
But Long War ( generational) is exactly what this is. And it is a war -if asymmetrical launched by "Islamic extremist" ( Salafists) on the west.

It is definitely not a simple "Overseas Contingency Operation" which could be damn near anything like re-routing a naval strike force
 
christiefan915 said:
I always thought "war on terror" was nonsensical.

"In 2013, President Barack Obama announced that the United States was no longer pursuing a War on Terror, as the military focus should be on specific enemies rather than a tactic. He stated, "We must define our effort not as a boundless 'Global War on Terror', but rather as a series of persistent, targeted efforts to dismantle specific networks of violent extremists that threaten America."
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So, it's important how you define the war after all lol?
 
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