IBDaMann
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You missed my point. Why are none of these people being arrested? If I were to do that, I would be arrested and arraigned, but then again, I'm not supreme, I'm not above the law like the LGBTXXXXXXXXXXX+
LGBTQ rights in Russia
IBDaMann
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Items 1, 2 and 3 are correct. Item 4 makes no sense.
Yakuda
Verified User
There is no such thing as "lgbtqxyz" rights. Rights are rights. Period. If you have to qualify them then it's special treatment. Not all rights are absolute either. I have an explicit right to own a gun but can't legay access it if im a felon and I can't carry anywhere I like.
Yakuda
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That's what comes from people believing they have "special" rights. They behave like assholes and when you tell them they are behaving like assholes they cry how they're being oppressed. Perpetual victims
Scott
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I think it would be better to say that we would disagree with him. Conversely, he would disagree with us. The important thing is to try to see if we can effectively communicate why we disagree with each other, in the hopes of ultimately reaching an agreement.
Scott
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I tend to avoid speculating, but I think it's clear that you believe that if the guy was straight, he'd be arrested or something of this nature. Perhaps you're right. If you're right, I imagine the right is working on changing that. More importantly, however, I think it's safe to say that -most- people in the LGBTQ community aren't dressing like that for these events.
Scott
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I now see that IBD responded to your post in post #142. For the record, he agreed that he had claimed your first 3 points, but said that your fourth made no sense. I'll weigh in on these points myself:
1- seems reasonable.
2- I have yet to see -anyone- in the LGBT community claim "eternal victimhood", which I think stands to reason as it looks like the term "eternal victim" was first coined by someone who left the LGBTQ community. It apparently started with a book said someone wrote- I may look for it again later.
3- I think it's possible that a few people in the LGBTQ community attack christians. I suspect not many do though. What I do know is that there have been quite a few incidents where people have attacked religious communities supportive of LGBTQ rights:
150+ Anti-LGBTQ Incidents Targeted Religious Communities in the US, According to Newly Released Data from GLAAD’s ALERT Desk | GLAAD
Since June 1, 2022, GLAAD’s ALERT Desk has tracked 150+ anti-LGBTQ incidents targeting affirming faith-based communities in the US. These include 54 cases of vandalism, 38 cases of threats and harassment, 37 protests, 7 attempted arsons, 3 assaults, and 2 bomb threats. For the access to the full...
glaad.org
4- I agree with IBD that the 4th point makes no sense.
Scott
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I'd say that laws are made to clarify what governments allow people to do or not do. I think you're suggesting that the LGTBQ community considers itself to be above the law. I think that, for the most part, this is not a view that members of this community hold.
As far as the breaking of laws are concerned, I consider public indecency to generally be low on the severity scale. People can ofcourse lobby politicians to be more vigilant in the enforcement of public indecency laws when it comes to LGBTQ events if that's something said people consider to be a good use of their time. Personally, I think there are other issues that deserve more attention. I recently started watching a film concerning the killing of Trayvor Martin by George Zimmerman called Origin on Netflix. I consider killing someone without just cause and not being appropriately disciplined to be decidedly more important. The trailer fo the film is here if you'd like to see it:
Scott
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I don't know, which stands to reason. I'm not an expert on issues of the law regarding public indecency. I -suspect- that there are probably articles out there that get into these issues though. I suspect you might have seen such articles. If you have, you can link to it if you wish.
Scott
Verified User
The problem is that throughout history, some people have been discriminated against. I think we can agree that slavery, which is a severe form of discrimination, is wrong. But while we can probably agree on that point, there are many types of discrimination, some more subtle then others. In the opening post of this thread, I made some points of disagreement with some Russian laws and prevalent attitudes to the LGBTQ community- those points stand.
Yakuda
Verified User
With slavery blacks were denied rights based on the color of their skin. They didn't deserve civil rights they deserved to have their rights just like whites. This was my complaint about "gay" marriage. The argument was he couldn't get marred. Thats bullshit. A gay man and a gay woman could always gotten married to each other. Their gayness was not a obstacle to being married.
Then there was the, they couldn't marry who they love, argument. Again bullshit. Love is not a requirement to getting married. No one asks you if you "love" the person you want to marry. No one was denied a license to be married because they were gay unlike people were denied their rights because they were black.
IBDaMann
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Nope. I am outright stating that they consider themselves eternal victims. Why? Because they feel entitled to supremacy, and at every corner, at every turn, there is always someone trying to chop them down to equality. Hence they are always screaming "We are so OPPRESSED!" and "We are such VICTIMS!". If, during a Pride Parade, one naked man gets on his knees to give a blowjob to another naked man, in public, in front of children, the police can either 1. do nothing because they know there will be HELL TO PAY if they take action, or 2. take action to arrest/detain them while the entire world and the entire internet explodes with condemnation at the law enforcement CRACKDOWN on LGBT, trampling their rights and VICTIMIZING them in their OPPRESSION.
Yes, they have supremacy. Period.
Are you saying that they pretty much have deluded themselves into believing that they are VICTIMS who are being VICTIMIZED by their VICTIMIZERS, always and forever, and that's their story and their sticking to it i.e. the exact opposite of thinking of themselves as privileged supremacists? OK, you have a point. I'll buy that.
I consider harming children to be very high on the severity scale. In fact, most people do. Did you catch the "12B" discussion going on? Do you know what that's all about? Someone, such as myself, who is not some sort of supremacist, understands that I should keep my sexual activity private and not impose it on others in public, hence public indecency laws. The LGBTQIAXXXXXXXXXXXX+ movement feels that this does not work for them, i.e. that they should be able to harm children all they want in public with overt sexual activity. They're supremacists, after all. Of course they consider their own violations of laws to be "low on the severity scale" whereas if they do it, it shouldn't be considered violating the law; that's strictly for straight people.
Translation: People, and jurisdictions (like Russia), can simply deny the supremacists their supremacy, and let them bitch and gripe and complain and whine about being OPPRESSED, PERSECUTED VICTIMIZED VICTIMS. It's going to happen anyway.
Nope. There is no reason to allow supremacists to harm our children and our society just because there might be something more important going on in the world. It fully deserves our attention. That's worth repeating: It fully deserves our attention, not mere dismissal.
Russia is doing the right thing.
Tell me about how that event was portrayed. Was Trayvon Martin portrayed as a piece of shit thug who fully deserved getting wasted, and that the world is so much better now that we are rid of him? I have not seen the movie, but based on your previous posts, I'm going to make a prediction: 1) The movie you saw did not correctly portray Trayvon Martin in this light and 2) you didn't do any independent research, being content to simply embrace the propaganda as it was handed to you. Am I correct?
... or you consider propaganda-based self-delusion to be decidedly more important. Which is it really?
I watched the trailer. The number of red flags that went up didn't fit in my house.
p.s. - if you ever decide to do you own research, watch the Zimmerman trial and see the real reason he was totally exonerated.
Based Chad
Was it me?
but putting on clothing is about sex.
Based Chad
Was it me?
4. lgbt wants special rights.
IBDaMann
Well-known member
The problem is that throughout history, some people claim to be eternal victims when they are, in fact, privileged.
We agree.
While there are many types of supremacy, the supremacists always claim to be VICTIMS.
So you agree that Russia is VICTIMIZING LGBTQIAXXXXXXXXXX+ by not permitting their supremacy.
Based Chad
Was it me?
no. some supremacists claim their right to rule is due to them by never losing in the last thousand years.
IBDaMann
Well-known member
I was tempted to draw that parallel, but I totally chickened out. I figured I'd leave this thread on point, and that I'd "go there" at another time.
Based Chad
Was it me?
there's no time like RIGHT NOW.
^^^This. They're marketing their perversions, especially the crossdressers and those sicko S&M leather vermin they're so proud of.
lol hilarious lying.