Lets move on to other mystries....

bravo said:
It would be better to talk about the same issue if you want to stalk me and nit-pic everything I say........

Martin was the one that accused Obama of being a Muslim in 2004 which had nothing to do with the place of his birth or his birth certificate...and he can claim to be Santa Claus if he wants, but that doesn't make it so.....If you have some links to his comments on Obamas birth certificate in 2004, I'd be happy to concede to your view....

On October 17, 2008, Martin filed a lawsuit against the state of Hawaii calling for the public release of Barack Obama's birth certificate and other vital records.

I early 2008, Berg was making noise about the COLB and his support of Hillary but information about him and that topic is hard to find anymore...probably a little internet house cleaning was done....
Berg filed a complaint in federal district court on August 21, 2008, against Democratic Party presidential nominee Senator Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, alleging that Obama was born actually in Mombasa, Kenya and that the "Certification of Live Birth" on Obama's website is a forgery, two months before Martin....thats the earliest mention of it that could find in the last few months....you may have other information......

So I'll stick with my conclusion of who "fathered the birthers".....being a Muslim (Martin) and being foreign born (Berg)are two different pictures of crazy.....
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Martin started the Muslim rumor in 2004 and filed a suit to see the BC in 2008. Why would he want to see the BC if he believed Obama was born in Hawaii? And as far as being the father of birtherism, that's his self-description so you can take it up with Martin.
 
Yurt said:
it is a fact. i know it makes your party look bad so you desperately want to pretend it isn't true...but it is. the birther issue originated with hillary supporters.
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Cite.

I checked Snopes and didn't find anything. I see this sentence about Hillary on dozens of RW websites but none of them get down to the nitty gritty of who, what, when and where.
 
christiefan915 said:
Cite.

I checked Snopes and didn't find anything. I see this sentence about Hillary on dozens of RW websites but none of them get down to the nitty gritty of who, what, when and where.
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But there's an inconvenient truth liberals are going to have to confront: The Birthers began not on the right, but on the left.

Investigations for my new book, Wingnuts, revealed that the Birther conspiracy theory was first concocted by renegade members of the original Obama haters, Party Unity My Ass, known more commonly by their acronym, the PUMAs. They were a splinter group of hard-core Hillary Clinton supporters who did not want to give up the ghost after the bitter 50-state Bataan Death March to the 2008 Democratic nomination.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-02-08/the-secret-history-of-the-birthers/#
 
Bravo has gotten unbelievable mileage out of the Dem birther dude, Chris Matthews, and Robert Byrd. I've never seen anything like it.

I know it's hard to face up to what the GOP has become, but please...
 
Yurt said:
it is a fact. i know it makes your party look bad so you desperately want to pretend it isn't true...but it is. the birther issue originated with hillary supporters.
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What an absurd deflection. The right took it & made it a raison d'etre - they took it to the next level, and then beyond. I know how embarassed you guys are now, but the deflections are silly...
 
christiefan915 said:
Martin started the Muslim rumor in 2004 and filed a suit to see the BC in 2008. Why would he want to see the BC if he believed Obama was born in Hawaii? And as far as being the father of birtherism, that's his self-description so you can take it up with Martin.
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I agree pinhead....Martin filed a suit to see the BC, 2 months AFTER Mr. Berg.....maybe hes just a copycat.....

Thats been my point all the while.....
 
Onceler said:
Bravo has gotten unbelievable mileage out of the Dem birther dude, Chris Matthews, and Robert Byrd. I've never seen anything like it.

I know it's hard to face up to what the GOP has become, but please...
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Yeah.....the TRUTH is a bitch sometimes....usually for the lefty pinheads......

Chris Matthews is a "birther" by his own definition and Bobby Byrd, Democrat Extraordinaire will always be remembered as a KKK Beagle, Meagle, Freegle or whatever the fuck you guys called him....talking about "niggers" on TV just a scant 3 years ago....without even a harsh word from the Democrats....thats amazing in itself.......
 
Onceler said:
What an absurd deflection. The right took it & made it a raison d'etre - they took it to the next level, and then beyond. I know how embarassed you guys are now, but the deflections are silly...
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It started as a demand to see Obamas birth certificate.....WHAT THE FUCK IS THE NEXT LEVEL ?
To see it in color....?
To see it in High Definition ?
To see it on an Imax screen?

What the fuck are you talking about.....????:palm:
 
Yurt said:
how many times do you need to be told the birther issue was started by the left - hillary supporters
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Looks like you are WRONG about who started it, but it matters not to me. What matters to me is what party kept it an issue even after the President released his short form Birth Cert. The party that brought it to main streem, even after McCain and Clinton both determined that there was nothing to it... The party that pushed it even with the truth was very evident.

Namely, the party that Donald Trump is currently the front runner for the nomination of!
 
Yurt said:
But there's an inconvenient truth liberals are going to have to confront: The Birthers began not on the right, but on the left.

Investigations for my new book, Wingnuts, revealed that the Birther conspiracy theory was first concocted by renegade members of the original Obama haters, Party Unity My Ass, known more commonly by their acronym, the PUMAs. They were a splinter group of hard-core Hillary Clinton supporters who did not want to give up the ghost after the bitter 50-state Bataan Death March to the 2008 Democratic nomination.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-02-08/the-secret-history-of-the-birthers/#
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Well, we have some problems here. First, P.U.M.A. wasn't even started until after Hillary conceded in June 2008 so how could they have sent around an email during her campaign?

The author writes: In the early summer of '08, message boards on sites like PUMAParty.com began lighting up with the ultimate reversal-of-fortune fantasy—that their party's nomination could be overturned on constitutional grounds. "Obama May Be Illegal to Be Elected President!" read one representative e-mail: "This came from a USNA [U.S. Naval Academy] alumnus. It'll be interesting to see how the media handle this...WRITE TO YOUR LOCAL newspaper editors etc. Keep this out there everyday possible. Also write to the DNC too!"

So who is this naval academy alumnus and where's a copy of the email he supposedly wrote?

Then the author writes: "After Clinton's concession, Starr turned her attention to Obama. "I determined that I was going to start digging up every bit of dirt that I could find on him," she told me after I hunted her down in late 2009, "and that hopefully that I would find something against him that would convince the Democratic Party to dump him and make Hillary the nominee."

Note she says "after the concession", not "during the campaign."

Then she says "In the first week of August 2008, as the Democrats were getting ready for their convention in Denver, Starr called Philadelphia attorney Philip Berg and offered a challenge. Berg recalled the conversation for me: "She called me up and said, 'Have you heard about Obama not being national born?' I said, 'Yes.' She said, 'Well, now it's for real, and you're the only attorney in the country with brass balls enough to sue Obama.'" On August 21, 2008, Berg filed the first Birther lawsuit, requesting an injunction to stop the Democratic Convention from going forward and alleging that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii.

By their own words, they didn't get fired up until August 2008, yet the birther business was going on for months before that.

I think the author is mistaken in saying the movement began with Hillary supporters, when his contact Linda Starr says herself she only started working on BC business in the summer of 2008. Clearly his contention is that the first lawsuit was the start of the movement, but that's just not true.
 
bravo said:
It started as a demand to see Obamas birth certificate.....WHAT THE FUCK IS THE NEXT LEVEL ?
To see it in color....?
To see it in High Definition ?
To see it on an Imax screen?

What the fuck are you talking about.....????:palm:
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Oh, I dunno - basing an entire campaign on it?

Man, are you braindead sometimes. I mean - really dumb...
 
christiefan915 said:
Well, we have some problems here. First, P.U.M.A. wasn't even started until after Hillary conceded in June 2008 so how could they have sent around an email during her campaign?

The author writes: In the early summer of '08, message boards on sites like PUMAParty.com began lighting up with the ultimate reversal-of-fortune fantasy—that their party's nomination could be overturned on constitutional grounds. "Obama May Be Illegal to Be Elected President!" read one representative e-mail: "This came from a USNA [U.S. Naval Academy] alumnus. It'll be interesting to see how the media handle this...WRITE TO YOUR LOCAL newspaper editors etc. Keep this out there everyday possible. Also write to the DNC too!"

So who is this naval academy alumnus and where's a copy of the email he supposedly wrote?

Then the author writes: "After Clinton's concession, Starr turned her attention to Obama. "I determined that I was going to start digging up every bit of dirt that I could find on him," she told me after I hunted her down in late 2009, "and that hopefully that I would find something against him that would convince the Democratic Party to dump him and make Hillary the nominee."

Note she says "after the concession", not "during the campaign."

Then she says "In the first week of August 2008, as the Democrats were getting ready for their convention in Denver, Starr called Philadelphia attorney Philip Berg and offered a challenge. Berg recalled the conversation for me: "She called me up and said, 'Have you heard about Obama not being national born?' I said, 'Yes.' She said, 'Well, now it's for real, and you're the only attorney in the country with brass balls enough to sue Obama.'" On August 21, 2008, Berg filed the first Birther lawsuit, requesting an injunction to stop the Democratic Convention from going forward and alleging that Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii.

By their own words, they didn't get fired up until August 2008, yet the birther business was going on for months before that.

I think the author is mistaken in saying the movement began with Hillary supporters, when his contact Linda Starr says herself she only started working on BC business in the summer of 2008. Clearly his contention is that the first lawsuit was the start of the movement, but that's just not true.
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The 'summer' is JUNE.....

So,....are you now changing you story to claim Linda Starr is now the "Mother of the Birthers"...????

Its been said she "invented" the Birther story in June of 2008....and admits to doing research on it.....(obviously in the months PRECEDING JUNE, 2008....)

I already told you there was talk of the Birth certificate problem in early 2008...BY CLINTON SUPPORTERS.

You won't find definitive information on the net these days, the clean up is long over and the internet is wiped clean of anything that would link Hillary and the Birthers....
the house cleaning was done before Berg filed suit....Hillarys cover was assured.....

My memory tells me that Hillary's concession in June and talk of bc problems were within days of each other.....I think the bc rumors preceded Hillarys concession....
 
Bravo's standard line when things go south for the GOP. The Iraq War sucked? The Dems voted for it! The birther thing didn't work out? The Dems started it!

How embarassing...
 
Onceler said:
Oh, I dunno - basing an entire campaign on it?

Man, are you braindead sometimes. I mean - really dumb...
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There is no next level, pinhead....the demand to see the bc is the demand to see the bc is the demand to see the bc.....

From Aug. 2008 until April, 2011 the demand has remained exactly the same as it was presented by Berg, the curious Democrat of 2008.....
the next level is a figment of your adolescent imagination....
 
bravo said:
the demand has remained exactly the same as the it was presented by Berg, the curious Democrat of 2008.....[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE]
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:lol:

That's hilarious. You are certainly one dumb hack apologist.

Don't you ever get tired of carrying water for some of the lunatics on your side?
 
Onceler said:
Bravo's standard line when things go south for the GOP. The Iraq War sucked? The Dems voted for it! The birther thing didn't work out? The Dems started it!

How embarassing...
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Only embarassing for you pinheads.....because I have the facts on my side all the time......thats whats so fuckin' great about facts,....they favor no one....and only support the truth as it is and not how you would like it be.......
 
Onceler said:
:lol:

That's hilarious. You are certainly one dumb hack apologist.

Don't you ever get tired of carrying water for some of the lunatics on your side?
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I never tire of the truth......

How has the demand to see the birth certificate changed ?......Was the demand changed at all....? Did the birthers demand to see something other than the original BC.... of course not.....

and you remain a pinhead to even dream you can make the demand something other than what is was from August 2008 until April 2011......

The demand was to see it and Obama complied and made it public.....game over.....
 
bravo said:
Only embarassing for you pinheads.....because I have the facts on my side all the time......thats whats so fuckin' great about facts,....they favor no one....and only support the truth as it is and not how you would like it be.......
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Yep - and the FACTS are that Bush made the decision to invade Iraq and that the birther movement for 2 solid years = righties.

Deal.
 
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