Legislating morality

[Canceled.2014.1]

Then you should know why marriage and its licensing, rules and regulations protecting mothers, children, etc. was of interest
to the government and society....the FACT that homosexual relationships produce no children to protect might light a bulb in your numbskull....

When is the line drawn.....nowhere ?.....if its ok for 2 men to get "married", why not three...why not four....should they allowed or prevented from obtaining children, adoption...
Why is there a law against bigamy ?.....
Society does have some obligations to protect children and mothers and even promote the procreation of mankind....its what
'marriage' is and was....why it exists.... and why society and thus gov. has an interest....

The only difference between procreation in a straight marriage and a gay marriage is that one requires outside assistance. A long time ago we needed more people. I don't think humanity faces extinction if we allow gays to marry.

And the one thing you keep forgetting, if you are going to use something as a reason to deny gay the ability to marry then you have to apply the same standard to straights. If gay marriage is not allowed because they can't have children naturally, then straights who cannot have children should not be allowed to marry either.

And yes, gays should be allowed to adopt. They already can adopt in many states, and some have allowed their partner to also be listed as a parent.

 

[Rune]

No, because in my example, that public park would have been owned by a private concern if GovCo hadn't bullied its way into ownership. Since they have, if I want to see that venue I have no choice other than to sign up for the GovCo service.

A better question is why should government be in the marriage business, or for that matter, any business that the private sector handles quite well by itself.

Why would a private concern open a public park, dumbass?

 

[BRUTALITOPS]

How so?

how can you be this dense?

caring for the poor is a moral issue.

providing services is a moral issue.

etc

 

[Rune]

Those would be the same religious wacks who opposed slavery while you Democrats fought for it?

I suppose abolition counts as legislating morality.

The democrats of then are the Repubs of now, and you know it, you just hate to admit it because you are a lying hack.

 

[Rune]

Kind of like rich people who say the government should tax them more, yet they don't voluntarily pay more in taxes...

Why would you say something this stupid? Those people want everyone in their tax bracket to have to pay more. This retread argument is disingenuous enough for you but really too stupid for you to be repeating. Grow up simplefreak.

 

[Rune]

Hey, can someone tell me who Right is if he posted under a different handle previously.

That would be Damn Yankee. You can tell by the arrogant stupidity.

 

[Truth Detector]

"Morality cannot be legislated, but behavior can be regulated. Judicial decrees may not change the heart, but they can restrain the heartless."

Thoughts?

Many laws are based on morality; what did they teach in "lawyer" school?

 

[NOVA]

Why would you say something this stupid? Those people want everyone in their tax bracket to have to pay more. This retread argument is disingenuous enough for you but really too stupid for you to be repeating. Grow up simplefreak.

Lets take those people that you deem that want to legislate morality....should they give up living moral lives because not everyone wants to live moral lives ?...Same difference.

If people want to pay more taxes, let 'em....they shouldn't let the fact that not every one will pay more, deter them from doing what they feel is proper....

so maybe its YOU being disingenuous...and them being hypocritical...

 

[maineman]

what does paying the legally required amount of income tax have to do with leading moral lives?

 

[Rune]

Lets take those people that you deem that want to legislate morality....should they give up living moral lives because not everyone wants to live moral lives ?...Same difference.

If people want to pay more taxes, let 'em....they shouldn't let the fact that not every one will pay more, deter them from doing what they feel is proper....

so maybe its YOU being disingenuous...and them being hypocritical...

You know, I let your other retard post go, because you just are not worth it, but since you started,
Let's start with the polygamy bullshit first.
No one needs to draw the line. Polygamy is already illegal as is bestiality. That is why the socially conservative argument against gay marriage is so retarded, as are you.

Now, to your other issue; Bullshiit. Non sequitur.

Make up all the bullshit you want Bravo, but don't try to convince me that you are correct about anything.

 

[MAGA MAN]

Why would a private concern open a public park, dumbass?

Because they want the public to enjoy open spaces, and they can run them more efficiently than GovCo.

Ever been to Bush Gardens? Disney World? Much better than Central Park.

 

[MAGA MAN]

I think if you are going to issue a license to some, excluding others, you must have some non-arbitrary standard for why and who you are going to exclude, that is based in some sort of discernible governmental interest.

For example, people under 16 cant get a licence to drive a car, not because we don't like people under 16, but because people under 16 are scientifically less likely to have the judgement required to safely operate a dangerous instrument. You see, there is a discernible government interest in protecting the health and safety of other people on the roads. This limitation is based in a standard that promotes the governmental interest of protecting the health and physical safety of the citizenry.

What about plumbers? States issue licenses for those, and are very discriminatory.

 

[Rune]

Because they want the public to enjoy open spaces, and they can run them more efficiently than GovCo.

Ever been to Bush Gardens? Disney World? Much better than Central Park.

Admission is free at Central Park.

 

[Rune]

What about plumbers? States issue licenses for those, and are very discriminatory.

Plumbers are responsible for the safety of anyone in a building with plumbing in it. You don't think there should be licensing standards that should be met by individuals who want to be plumbers?

 

[MAGA MAN]

Admission is free at Central Park.

Yet it costs millions to maintain. Where do you think the money comes from?

 

[MAGA MAN]

Plumbers are responsible for the safety of anyone in a building with plumbing in it. You don't think there should be licensing standards that should be met by individuals who want to be plumbers?

Au contraire. I think a state has a vested interest in ensuring that only qualified people are plumbers.

 

[Timshel]

It's a foreign concept to social conservatives, but our nation was founded on republican principles of limited government. Morality alone is not sufficient to justify state action. Laws serving the proper interests of the state, protecting the liberty of the individual, are necessarily related to a moral principle. But the moral sentiments of the majority alone are not a valid state interest. Kennedy laid this down in Lawrence v Texas. Sorry, you won't be able to outlaw homosexuality or interracial sex. Get over it.

 

[Rune]

Yet it costs millions to maintain. Where do you think the money comes from?

It comes from the millions who use it every year. In your selfish version only the wealthy can participate. That is the whole point of a society and the basic proof that you are a sociopath, not an uncommon condition in the far right.

 

[Rune]

Au contraire. I think a state has a vested interest in ensuring that only qualified people are plumbers.

Exacltly, so what is your point?

 

[Phantasmal]

Yet it costs millions to maintain. Where do you think the money comes from?

Taxes, that the people who use it pay, and the citizens of New York City.

I think there would be a huge outcry if they developed Central Park, but I don't live there.