Last time Earth hit these CO2 levels there were trees at the South Pole

[Bigdog]

All of human civilization has occurred with Antarctica frozen and with global temperatures and weather patterns within a fairly narrow band. As we move rapidly outside that band, the trauma will be incredible.

Bullshit. We've already been thru two rapid 10 degree changes in the last 200k years.

The Vostock Ice Core data shows 4 interglacial/glacial cycles in the last 400k years.

 

[Superfreak]

The obvious issue is that in Bangladesh, today, you have social networks, infrastructure, and intact ecosytems, all of which make for a higher quality of life than could be achieved by plonking those same people down in an equally warm location that lacks all those things. Global warming is going to mean many generations living much, much worse lives than they otherwise would have. It will mean human suffering on an unimaginable scale. And it will mean our descendants will curse those who were too stupid to see it coming.

Yeah... and....

1. Harvard biologist George Wald estimated that “civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.”

2. “We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation,” wrote Washington University biologist Barry Commoner in the Earth Day issue of the scholarly journal Environment.

3. The day after the first Earth Day, the New York Times editorial page warned, “Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction.”

4. “Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make,” Paul Ehrlich confidently declared in the April 1970 issue of Mademoiselle. “The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years.”

5. “Most of the people who are going to die in the greatest cataclysm in the history of man have already been born,” wrote Paul Ehrlich in a 1969 essay titled “Eco-Catastrophe! “By…[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.”

6. Ehrlich sketched out his most alarmist scenario for the 1970 Earth Day issue of The Progressive, assuring readers that between 1980 and 1989, some 4 billion people, including 65 million Americans, would perish in the “Great Die-Off.”

7. “It is already too late to avoid mass starvation,” declared Denis Hayes, the chief organizer for Earth Day, in the Spring 1970 issue of The Living Wilderness.

8. Peter Gunter, a North Texas State University professor, wrote in 1970, “Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.”

9. In January 1970, Life reported, “Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half….”

10. Ecologist Kenneth Watt told Time that, “At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.”

11. Barry Commoner predicted that decaying organic pollutants would use up all of the oxygen in America’s rivers, causing freshwater fish to suffocate.

12. Paul Ehrlich chimed in, predicting in 1970 that “air pollution…is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone.” Ehrlich sketched a scenario in which 200,000 Americans would die in 1973 during “smog disasters” in New York and Los Angeles.

13. Paul Ehrlich warned in the May 1970 issue of Audubon that DDT and other chlorinated hydrocarbons “may have substantially reduced the life expectancy of people born since 1945.” Ehrlich warned that Americans born since 1946…now had a life expectancy of only 49 years, and he predicted that if current patterns continued this expectancy would reach 42 years by 1980, when it might level out. (Note: According to the most recent CDC report, life expectancy in the US is 78.8 years).

14. Ecologist Kenneth Watt declared, “By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate…that there won’t be any more crude oil. You’ll drive up to the pump and say, `Fill ‘er up, buddy,’ and he’ll say, `I am very sorry, there isn’t any.'”

15. Harrison Brown, a scientist at the National Academy of Sciences, published a chart in Scientific American that looked at metal reserves and estimated the humanity would totally run out of copper shortly after 2000. Lead, zinc, tin, gold, and silver would be gone before 1990.

16. Sen. Gaylord Nelson wrote in Look that, “Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.”

17. In 1975, Paul Ehrlich predicted that “since more than nine-tenths of the original tropical rainforests will be removed in most areas within the next 30 years or so, it is expected that half of the organisms in these areas will vanish with it.”

18. Kenneth Watt warned about a pending Ice Age in a speech. “The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years,” he declared. “If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”

http://www.aei.org/publication/18-s...st-earth-day-in-1970-expect-more-this-year-2/

 

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No. It's science. And it's already happening around us.

I hope the PCCS gets up and running soon, this constant stream of bullshit needs to confronted head on. Anybody that says the science is settled is just a fool and not worthy of serious consideration. There are a huge number of scientists that do not consider the science is settled and here is just one of them!!

https://judithcurry.com/2019/03/28/...emissions-concentration-scenarios/#more-24842

https://judithcurry.com/2018/11/24/is-rcp8-5-an-impossible-scenario/

 

[Moosakofsky]

The obvious issue is that in Bangladesh, today, you have social networks, infrastructure, and intact ecosytems, all of which make for a higher quality of life than could be achieved by plonking those same people down in an equally warm location that lacks all those things. Global warming is going to mean many generations living much, much worse lives than they otherwise would have. It will mean human suffering on an unimaginable scale. And it will mean our descendants will curse those who were too stupid to see it coming.

In other words the sky is falling and we're doomed.

 

[Grokmaster]

The impact of runaway emissions is already upon us. Several cities in the northern U.S., such as Buffalo, Cincinnati and Duluth, are already preparing to receive migrants from states like Florida, where residents are beset with increasing flooding, brutal heat waves, more severe and frequent hurricanes, sea level rise, and a worse allergy season. City planners in the aforementioned cities are already preparing by trying to figure out how to create jobs and housing for an influx of new residents.

Indications of the climate disruption refugee crisis are even more glaring in some other countries.

Large numbers of Guatemalan farmers already have to leave their land due to drought, flooding, and increasingly severe extreme weather events.

In low-lying Bangladesh, hundreds of thousands of people are already in the process of being displaced from coastal homes, and are moving into poverty-stricken areas of cities that are already unprepared to receive the influx of people. Given that 80 percent of the population of the country already lives in a flood plain, the crisis can only escalate with time as sea level rise continues to accelerate.



much more, great links:

https://truthout.org/articles/the-last-time-there-was-this-much-co2-trees-grew-at-the-south-pole/

Bullcrap. Current CO2 concentration are at 400ppm....that's .0004, atmospheric CO2.


Spare us the chicken little bullshit, please.

 

[Teflon Don]

There's a tendency among very low-IQ people to try to shove the issue into a binary situation -- where either it's not a problem at all, or it's a problem we can no longer do anything about. The point for them isn't to assess the actual situation accurately, but rather to impose a particular policy outcome (not doing anything about emissions), by any means necessary. Whether that means not doing anything because there's no problem, or not doing anything because nothing can be done, is all the same to them.

Of course, as any intelligent person will point out, it's not a binary system. Possible outcomes exist on a continuum, and we're deciding every day where along that continuum, from merely bad to horrifically catastrophic, we'll end up, and when. In that sense, it's more like the outcome of drug abuse or obesity. If you're fat, that doesn't mean you've already locked in a worst-case scenario so there's no point worrying about diet and exercise any more. Depending on how fat you get and how long you stay fat, there's a continuum of futures you can be looking at. You're never going to be as healthy and long-lived as you would have been if you hadn't gotten fat in the first place, but you still have lots of discretion about whether you live a fairly long and fulfilling life, or whether you live out your last few years a miserable shit who can barely pry himself off the couch.

If you embrace a fake fatalism to say "sounds like it's already too late," in order to give yourself the excuse to be lazy and self-indulgent, you're just locking in a worse outcome. With climate change, it's NEVER too late to avoid a still-worse outcome than has already been locked in. And the differences in degrees of worsening are literally life-and-death differences for millions.

Blah blah blah

It isn’t me saying we have passed the point of no return. It is Warmists

Personally I don’t care if the world gets warmer or colder. We will adapt.

It is the height of arrogance to think one can do anything to impact the weather.

If it makes you feel intellectually superior then by all means. I have found throughout my life that those who profess to be smart usually aren’t. Just sayin.

 

[Grokmaster]

12 YEARS !!!!!!

 

[Truth Detector]

The impact of runaway emissions is already upon us. Several cities in the northern U.S., such as Buffalo, Cincinnati and Duluth, are already preparing to receive migrants from states like Florida, where residents are beset with increasing flooding, brutal heat waves, more severe and frequent hurricanes, sea level rise, and a worse allergy season. City planners in the aforementioned cities are already preparing by trying to figure out how to create jobs and housing for an influx of new residents.

Indications of the climate disruption refugee crisis are even more glaring in some other countries.

Large numbers of Guatemalan farmers already have to leave their land due to drought, flooding, and increasingly severe extreme weather events.

In low-lying Bangladesh, hundreds of thousands of people are already in the process of being displaced from coastal homes, and are moving into poverty-stricken areas of cities that are already unprepared to receive the influx of people. Given that 80 percent of the population of the country already lives in a flood plain, the crisis can only escalate with time as sea level rise continues to accelerate.
much more, great links:

https://truthout.org/articles/the-last-time-there-was-this-much-co2-trees-grew-at-the-south-pole/

So basically, Global warming has nothing to do with man and we are fucked anyway? QUICK, shove your head up your ass and JUMP before it is too late!!!

 

[Truth Detector]

The obvious issue is that in Bangladesh, today, you have social networks, infrastructure, and intact ecosytems, all of which make for a higher quality of life than could be achieved by plonking those same people down in an equally warm location that lacks all those things. Global warming is going to mean many generations living much, much worse lives than they otherwise would have. It will mean human suffering on an unimaginable scale. And it will mean our descendants will curse those who were too stupid to see it coming.

Willful idiot thinks Bangladeshi's have a high quality of life.

 

[Truth Detector]

All of human civilization has occurred with Antarctica frozen and with global temperatures and weather patterns within a fairly narrow band. As we move rapidly outside that band, the trauma will be incredible.

Willful idiot thinks we are moving RAPIDLY outside that band.

 

[Truth Detector]

There's a tendency among very low-IQ people to try to shove the issue into a binary situation --

Absolutely; look into the mirror.

 

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SCIENTISTS DISCOVER THAT ARCTIC REGION WAS 6°C WARMER 9000 YEARS AGO THAN TODAY

Unearthed new evidence (Mangerud and Svendsen, 2018) reveals that during the Early Holocene, when CO2 concentrations hovered around 260 ppm, “warmth-demanding species” were living in locations 1,000 km farther north of where they exist today in Arctic Svalbard, indicating that summer temperatures must have been about “6°C warmer than at present”.
Proxy evidence from two other new papers suggests Svalbard’s Hinlopen Strait may have reached about 5 – 9°C warmer than 1955-2012 during the Early Holocene (Bartels et al., 2018), and Greenland may have been “4.0 to 7.0 °C warmer than modern [1952-2014]” between 10,000 and 8,000 years ago according to evidence found in rock formations at the bottom of ancient lakes (McFarlin et al., 2018).

In these 3 new papers, none of the scientists connect the “pronounced” and “exceptional” Early Holocene warmth to CO2 concentrations.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0959683617715701

 

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SCIENTISTS DISCOVER THAT ARCTIC REGION WAS 6°C WARMER 9000 YEARS AGO THAN TODAY

Unearthed new evidence (Mangerud and Svendsen, 2018) reveals that during the Early Holocene, when CO2 concentrations hovered around 260 ppm, “warmth-demanding species” were living in locations 1,000 km farther north of where they exist today in Arctic Svalbard, indicating that summer temperatures must have been about “6°C warmer than at present”.
Proxy evidence from two other new papers suggests Svalbard’s Hinlopen Strait may have reached about 5 – 9°C warmer than 1955-2012 during the Early Holocene (Bartels et al., 2018), and Greenland may have been “4.0 to 7.0 °C warmer than modern [1952-2014]” between 10,000 and 8,000 years ago according to evidence found in rock formations at the bottom of ancient lakes (McFarlin et al., 2018).

In these 3 new papers, none of the scientists connect the “pronounced” and “exceptional” Early Holocene warmth to CO2 concentrations.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0959683617715701

Only a matter of time before Crypiss, the resident JPP sex pest, makes a play for One Loony, they are ideally suited. Both are arrogant, condescending, hectoring and extremely pompous, it's a match made in Heaven.

 

[volsrock]

The impact of runaway emissions is already upon us. Several cities in the northern U.S., such as Buffalo, Cincinnati and Duluth, are already preparing to receive migrants from states like Florida, where residents are beset with increasing flooding, brutal heat waves, more severe and frequent hurricanes, sea level rise, and a worse allergy season. City planners in the aforementioned cities are already preparing by trying to figure out how to create jobs and housing for an influx of new residents.

Indications of the climate disruption refugee crisis are even more glaring in some other countries.

Large numbers of Guatemalan farmers already have to leave their land due to drought, flooding, and increasingly severe extreme weather events.

In low-lying Bangladesh, hundreds of thousands of people are already in the process of being displaced from coastal homes, and are moving into poverty-stricken areas of cities that are already unprepared to receive the influx of people. Given that 80 percent of the population of the country already lives in a flood plain, the crisis can only escalate with time as sea level rise continues to accelerate.



much more, great links:

https://truthout.org/articles/the-last-time-there-was-this-much-co2-trees-grew-at-the-south-pole/

there were trees at the South Pole????

wow what man made event made it get cold and wipe out all the trees...did Exxon help back then?...idiot

 

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Willful idiot thinks we are moving RAPIDLY outside that band.

She is JPP's very own Alexandria Occasionally-Cogent!!

 

[Superfreak]

Trumps own EPA administrator admits humans are effecting the climate, that global warming is a major issue, and it is something we need to address.

That's right. Trump's own main man on environmental issues agrees that humans are effecting the climate, and the world needs to address it.

That is a major step away, a significant retreat, a substantial walk-back from what Climate Deniers were attempting to claim a decade ago.

What is funny is that certain teabagging message board posters relentlessly cling to talking points that are over a decade old, debunked, and simply laughable at this point - aka, global warming is a hoax, scientists lied and faked the data, the warming is due to natural causes, no warming "since 1998", et. al.

speaking of clinging to decade old, debunked nonsense... here we have our resident rape apologizing stalker telling us what straw men he built ten years ago.

Note that once again the goal posts have been shifted? Yeah, because he was flat out wrong with his fear mongering a decade ago.

Once again he uses the 'they said global warming was a hoax'... straw man. No, people disagreed that man was the primary driver of the earth warming. Pointing out basic things like 'we are coming out of the little Ice age... so yeah, it is going to warm' or 'hey leg humping moron, the sun spot activity is a far greater driver of temperature changes on Earth' . But our woman stalking moron is to much a dishonest unethical piece of shit to quote what people actually stated.

He ignores the basic FACT that the number of measuring stations around the world decreased. The extrapolation is therefore easier to be manipulated with 'adjustments' by the AGW religious cult.

When it was stated that there was no warming since 1998, it was indeed accurate. There had not been. But he is to much of a coward to acknowledge that.

The avg. temp in 1998 was about .62 above. In 2012? .62 above. So again the leg humping coward shows how dishonest he is. Since then temps went up from 2012-2016 peaking at .99. The past two years have cooled off (oddly sun spot activity has been lower... hmmm) to .91 in 2017 to .83 last year. So total change since 1998? .21

https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/...imates_based_on_Land_and_Ocean_Data/graph.txt

 

[Yurt]

The impact of runaway emissions is already upon us. Several cities in the northern U.S., such as Buffalo, Cincinnati and Duluth, are already preparing to receive migrants from states like Florida, where residents are beset with increasing flooding, brutal heat waves, more severe and frequent hurricanes, sea level rise, and a worse allergy season. City planners in the aforementioned cities are already preparing by trying to figure out how to create jobs and housing for an influx of new residents.

Indications of the climate disruption refugee crisis are even more glaring in some other countries.

Large numbers of Guatemalan farmers already have to leave their land due to drought, flooding, and increasingly severe extreme weather events.

In low-lying Bangladesh, hundreds of thousands of people are already in the process of being displaced from coastal homes, and are moving into poverty-stricken areas of cities that are already unprepared to receive the influx of people. Given that 80 percent of the population of the country already lives in a flood plain, the crisis can only escalate with time as sea level rise continues to accelerate.



much more, great links:

https://truthout.org/articles/the-last-time-there-was-this-much-co2-trees-grew-at-the-south-pole/

Who caused it the last time?

 

[Yurt]

Trumps own EPA administrator admits humans are effecting the climate, that global warming is a major issue, and it is something we need to address.

That's right. Trump's own main man on environmental issues agrees that humans are effecting the climate, and the world needs to address it.

That is a major step away, a significant retreat, a substantial walk-back from what Climate Deniers were attempting to claim a decade ago.

What is funny is that certain teabagging message board posters relentlessly cling to talking points that are over a decade old, debunked, and simply laughable at this point - aka, global warming is a hoax, scientists lied and faked the data, the warming is due to natural causes, no warming "since 1998", et. al.

Who caused the warming "millions" of years ago?

 

[LV426]

Personally, I think it's too late.

I think the damage has already been done and it's irreversible.

I think we're headed for mass starvation and migration, water wars, and conflict over dwindling supplies and resources.

If you were foolish enough to have kids, you totally set them up to have hard, difficult lives.

 

[Yurt]

plus the Pentagon has been drawing up contingency plans for decades

So? What is your point?