Kyle Rittenhouse - Trumpper

Concart said:
So, a kid with an assault rifle in violation of a curfew order and breaking a law.... a okay. A guy trying to break up a fight.... shoot him in the back seven times. Cool, got it.
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The courts will resolve each. My guess is both shooters will be doing time. I was going to say "taking a hit", but that might come across as flippant even though it's true.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
The courts will resolve each. My guess is both shooters will be doing time. I was going to say "taking a hit", but that might come across as flippant even though it's true.
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I suspect you're right. The bottom line is that regardless of the ultimate outcome, neither one should be cast as a hero.
 
Concart said:
I suspect you're right. The bottom line is that regardless of the ultimate outcome, neither one should be cast as a hero.
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Agreed, which is why one is being charged (overcharged IMO) and one is under investigation and will probably be charged....maybe only for the last four shots.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed, which is why one is being charged (overcharged IMO) and one is under investigation and will probably be charged....maybe only for the last four shots.
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I know you said this before, but first degree felony reckless homicide seems appropriate to me. Which element do you think is missing from this? I'm curious.

"(1) Whoever recklessly causes the death of another human being under circumstances which show utter disregard for human life is guilty of a Class B felony."

That's the first and most severe count he's charges with. It seems appropriate to me.
 
Concart said:
I know you said this before, but first degree felony homicide seems appropriate to me. Which element do you think is missing from this? I'm curious.

"(1) Whoever recklessly causes the death of another human being under circumstances which show utter disregard for human life is guilty of a Class B felony."

That's the first and most severe count he's charges with. It seems appropriate to me.
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Kyle didn't appear to plan to murder anyone. Unless you have proof then it's not premeditated.

Example: Last December's West Freeway Church of Christ shooting involved defenders who brought guns to church and one of them, Jack Wilson, shot and killed the attacker. By your definition, Wilson is guilty of First Degree Murder. He wasn't.

As noted previously, at best it was self-defense, at worst Second Degree murder. https://statelaws.findlaw.com/wisconsin-law/wisconsin-second-degree-murder.html

Everyone should know in a year or two.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Kyle didn't appear to plan to murder anyone. Unless you have proof then it's not premeditated.

Example: Last December's West Freeway Church of Christ shooting involved defenders who brought guns to church and one of them, Jack Wilson, shot and killed the attacker. By your definition, Wilson is guilty of First Degree Murder. He wasn't.

As noted previously, at best it was self-defense, at worst Second Degree murder. https://statelaws.findlaw.com/wisconsin-law/wisconsin-second-degree-murder.html

Everyone should know in a year or two.
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Agreed, but reckless homicide is not the same as intentional homicide, no intent is required, which is why I think the charge is appropriate,
 
Concart said:
Agreed, but reckless homicide is not the same as intentional homicide, no intent is required, which is why I think the charge is appropriate,
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Agreed, hence second degree murder. Let's not forget a criminal conviction is beyond a reasonable doubt. The fact I'm even suggesting second degree since there is no first degree evidence, is "beyond a reasonable doubt".

Example: Zimmerman case. That one at best was manslaughter but zero convictions because they overcharged and couldn't prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. We, the People shouldn't be trying criminals cases by simple majority vote.

Note the requirements and defenses.

https://statelaws.findlaw.com/wisconsin-law/wisconsin-first-degree-murder.html
First-degree murder in Wisconsin is to cause the death of another human or an unborn child with the intent to kill that person, or for a fetus an intent to kill the pregnant woman or unborn child. Note that the defendant doesn't need to be the only cause of the person or unborn child's death, only a substantial factor in the victim's death.

http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/940/I/01
 
Sailor said:
Use some abstract thinking here. Dems have been wholeheartedly pushing for lack of police and defunding thinking they can do a better job by themselves. That kid did some self policing. Now Democrats are panicking. They do that to themselves all the damn time.
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Please take your own advice.
 
Jerome said:
Tell me again how you're patriotic, while supporting murder (not to mention supporting putin who puts bounties on our troops).

Veteran my ass.
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Yawn. Once again Jerome ( I am sure that is pronounced with a lisp) go change your pink panties.
 
Jerome said:
Tell me, if the Parkland shooter had been hit in the head with a skateboard after his first killing, would you call it self-defense if he shot the person wielding the board?
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Did he initiate the violence, or was it the students?

Since you're slow, the skater wasn't even the first retard against whom Rittenhouse defended himself.
 
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