Kimmel on target

LurchAddams said:
I just went to the SA Express website. The TV station is claiming Kimmel being cut off was some type of technical error. Anywho... his entire pre-monologue is on Youtube anyway.. like in the OP.. If you want to see the whole thing - you can.

By the way.. I was surprised by it - Kimmel really spoke from the heart - he's smarter than I thought he was.
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I'll take it that means he's a commie shill.
 
Hello Taichiliberal,

Taichiliberal said:
Worth repeating, and for people to listen carefully and comprehensively.


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Well put, Jimmy.

Thanks for posting, Taichiliberal.

I support aggressive gun control legislation.

And if we don't get it, there will come a time when I will support repealing the 2nd.
 
Keep children alive.

Stop voting for Republicans.

It's like voting the NRA and gun manufacturers into office.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Condescending as fuck.

Wake me if he is ever ready to listen, ever ready to have a conversation.
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Please explain exactly who Kimmel is "condescending" to as he relates the FACTS of the situation. And then YOU can tell the reading audience what he is NOT "listening" to, much less what YOU consider a conversation on the subject (so far, YOU have offered NOTHING in that respect). We'll wait until your mental nap is over.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Taichiliberal,



Well put, Jimmy.

Thanks for posting, Taichiliberal.

I support aggressive gun control legislation.

And if we don't get it, there will come a time when I will support repealing the 2nd.
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And that's the thing...our NRA flunkies and MAGA minions categorize ANY gun control legislation as inevitably leading to a repeal of the 2nd Amendment (or which they misconstrue anyway, but I digress). For decades they ran lies in print and broadcast media depicting a "hidden agenda" of total weapons confiscation and such....yet when pressed could not supply one documentation of proposed legislation that stated or alluded to such.

Then they ignore the FACT that since the sunset of the 1994 AWB, the weapon of choice by mass shooters has been those on the list. Unless it's their family or friends or relatives, they just don't care....it's all academic and ideology.

Given how our political system guards itself against true change (more than 2 parties), I dare say more people will begin to feel as you do as the body counts continue....the blame to be put squarely on the shoulders of those who advocate the status quo.
 
Hello Taichiliberal,

Taichiliberal said:
And that's the thing...our NRA flunkies and MAGA minions categorize ANY gun control legislation as inevitably leading to a repeal of the 2nd Amendment (or which they misconstrue anyway, but I digress). For decades they ran lies in print and broadcast media depicting a "hidden agenda" of total weapons confiscation and such....yet when pressed could not supply one documentation of proposed legislation that stated or alluded to such.

Then they ignore the FACT that since the sunset of the 1994 AWB, the weapon of choice by mass shooters has been those on the list. Unless it's their family or friends or relatives, they just don't care....it's all academic and ideology.

Given how our political system guards itself against true change (more than 2 parties), I dare say more people will begin to feel as you do as the body counts continue....the blame to be put squarely on the shoulders of those who advocate the status quo.
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Well the 2nd is really outdated anyway. I would certainly support a repeal and replace amendment right now.

Guns need to be regulated. Who owns them needs to be regulated. They need to be licensed. Gun owners should be paying into a fund to help the victims of shootings. Paying a lot. Automatic weapons and weapons of war do not belong in civil society. We need free health care that includes free mental health counseling. Gun owners should have to pass a psyche test to qualify. People with hateful or aggressive behavior should not have guns. A gun should only work for the person who owns it. We have the microchip technology to do that, too.
 
PoliTalker said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
And that's the thing...our NRA flunkies and MAGA minions categorize ANY gun control legislation as inevitably leading to a repeal of the 2nd Amendment (or which they misconstrue anyway, but I digress). For decades they ran lies in print and broadcast media depicting a "hidden agenda" of total weapons confiscation and such....yet when pressed could not supply one documentation of proposed legislation that stated or alluded to such.

Then they ignore the FACT that since the sunset of the 1994 AWB, the weapon of choice by mass shooters has been those on the list. Unless it's their family or friends or relatives, they just don't care....it's all academic and ideology.

Given how our political system guards itself against true change (more than 2 parties), I dare say more people will begin to feel as you do as the body counts continue....the blame to be put squarely on the shoulders of those who advocate the status quo.
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Hello Taichiliberal,



Well the 2nd is really outdated anyway. I would certainly support a repeal and replace amendment right now.

Guns need to be regulated. Who owns them needs to be regulated. They need to be licensed. Gun owners should be paying into a fund to help the victims of shootings. Paying a lot. Automatic weapons and weapons of war do not belong in civil society. We need free health care that includes free mental health counseling. Gun owners should have to pass a psyche test to qualify. People with hateful or aggressive behavior should not have guns. A gun should only work for the person who owns it. We have the microchip technology to do that, too.
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Here's the thing, P.T.;

For all the years I've been on these discussion threads, I've stated that if gun purchases and ownership were treated that same as we do with cars, you would have far less mass shootings and a better law enforcement control of organize criminal use of them.
Gunners reject such an easy, simple solution for the usual paranoia/conspiracy laden mantras. And as long as you have gun lobbyist greasing palms in Congress, things are not going to change with any significance any time soon. The real question in my mind is how many of these gunners bleat the same mantras if the victims are one of their own.

I do take issue with your suggestion of gun owners paying into a victims fund. You can't hold someone personally responsible for a strangers violent actions, especially if the stranger's actions are mentally imbalanced and irrational. However, you can hold manufacturers and retailers responsible to some degree with regards to selling aspects that abet such actions (I believe Remington suffered such a fate).

Also, your suggestions of psyche evaluations for gun owners is neither legal, practical or in some cases moral. You have nasty, hateful and aggressive people in all faucets of society....the vast majority that own weapons don't go on shooting sprees, but they may take out their aggressions and such through their varies business/job opportunities. Also, such evaluations are no guarantee that you have a responsible and sane gun owner....our law enforcement agencies all have evaluation requirements, yet we have history of episodes of bias law officers, agents or heinous policies that are against the will of the American people with regards to justice. Background checks for a criminal record coupled with license and registry of weapons purchase can easily alert law enforcement of questionable numerous purchases. Bringing back the 1994 AWB won't solve the problem, but will help tone down the frequency of what we are witnessing.

Microchipping guns requires an entire secondary tech industry.....unnecessary when you can just have a simple registry at the point of sales entered into a database and make it available to all law enforcement agencies. That tech is already available and adaptable....it has yet to be nationally implemented.
 
Hello Taichiliberal,

Taichiliberal said:
Here's the thing, P.T.;

For all the years I've been on these discussion threads, I've stated that if gun purchases and ownership were treated that same as we do with cars, you would have far less mass shootings and a better law enforcement control of organize criminal use of them.
Gunners reject such an easy, simple solution for the usual paranoia/conspiracy laden mantras. And as long as you have gun lobbyist greasing palms in Congress, things are not going to change with any significance any time soon. The real question in my mind is how many of these gunners bleat the same mantras if the victims are one of their own.

I do take issue with your suggestion of gun owners paying into a victims fund. You can't hold someone personally responsible for a strangers violent actions, especially if the stranger's actions are mentally imbalanced and irrational. However, you can hold manufacturers and retailers responsible to some degree with regards to selling aspects that abet such actions (I believe Remington suffered such a fate).

Also, your suggestions of psyche evaluations for gun owners is neither legal, practical or in some cases moral. You have nasty, hateful and aggressive people in all faucets of society....the vast majority that own weapons don't go on shooting sprees, but they may take out their aggressions and such through their varies business/job opportunities. Also, such evaluations are no guarantee that you have a responsible and sane gun owner....our law enforcement agencies all have evaluation requirements, yet we have history of episodes of bias law officers, agents or heinous policies that are against the will of the American people with regards to justice. Background checks for a criminal record coupled with license and registry of weapons purchase can easily alert law enforcement of questionable numerous purchases. Bringing back the 1994 AWB won't solve the problem, but will help tone down the frequency of what we are witnessing.

Microchipping guns requires an entire secondary tech industry.....unnecessary when you can just have a simple registry at the point of sales entered into a database and make it available to all law enforcement agencies. That tech is already available and adaptable....it has yet to be nationally implemented.
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Good thoughts although favoring the do-little approach.

I don't know what it will take to get control of our violence but whatever it is we need to continue searching for it until it is achieved.

If the light approach don't get it, we cannot accept that and end our efforts.

This is getting ridiculous. We had the hate-fueled shooter in Buffalo, and then a week later it's kids in a school. This is unacceptable.

Other countries do not have this problem.

This is a solvable problem.

We can never accept this as OK.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Taichiliberal,




Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Here's the thing, P.T.;

For all the years I've been on these discussion threads, I've stated that if gun purchases and ownership were treated that same as we do with cars, you would have far less mass shootings and a better law enforcement control of organize criminal use of them.
Gunners reject such an easy, simple solution for the usual paranoia/conspiracy laden mantras. And as long as you have gun lobbyist greasing palms in Congress, things are not going to change with any significance any time soon. The real question in my mind is how many of these gunners bleat the same mantras if the victims are one of their own.

I do take issue with your suggestion of gun owners paying into a victims fund. You can't hold someone personally responsible for a strangers violent actions, especially if the stranger's actions are mentally imbalanced and irrational. However, you can hold manufacturers and retailers responsible to some degree with regards to selling aspects that abet such actions (I believe Remington suffered such a fate).

Also, your suggestions of psyche evaluations for gun owners is neither legal, practical or in some cases moral. You have nasty, hateful and aggressive people in all faucets of society....the vast majority that own weapons don't go on shooting sprees, but they may take out their aggressions and such through their varies business/job opportunities. Also, such evaluations are no guarantee that you have a responsible and sane gun owner....our law enforcement agencies all have evaluation requirements, yet we have history of episodes of bias law officers, agents or heinous policies that are against the will of the American people with regards to justice. Background checks for a criminal record coupled with license and registry of weapons purchase can easily alert law enforcement of questionable numerous purchases. Bringing back the 1994 AWB won't solve the problem, but will help tone down the frequency of what we are witnessing.

Microchipping guns requires an entire secondary tech industry.....unnecessary when you can just have a simple registry at the point of sales entered into a database and make it available to all law enforcement agencies. That tech is already available and adaptable....it has yet to be nationally implemented.
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Good thoughts although favoring the do-little approach.

I don't know what it will take to get control of our violence but whatever it is we need to continue searching for it until it is achieved.

If the light approach don't get it, we cannot accept that and end our efforts.

This is getting ridiculous. We had the hate-fueled shooter in Buffalo, and then a week later it's kids in a school. This is unacceptable.

Other countries do not have this problem.

This is a solvable problem.

We can never accept this as OK.
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PT, you talk a lot but say nothing new.

It seems you're not happy with how I deconstructed your previous offered solutions, so you label what I point to as a "light approach".

Excuse me? National registration has been fought tooth and nail by the gun lobby for decades now....they do this because if such a law is enacted, violation can result in prosecution and/or incarceration.

And the 1994 AWB worked. Period! The gun lobby made damned sure their congressional flunkies voted against renewing that piece of legislation....and since then people died by the very weapons that were on that list.

Neither of the aforementioned will eliminate gun crime in America, but they damn sure will reduce it. And of course, some common sense funding of better mental health facilities and access (further health care reform) wouldn't help.

Nothing "light" about these approaches, because a "heavy" approach would be the very draconian methods that the gun lobby propaganda machine has been lying about for years.

Yes like you, I and millions others are frustrated with the status quo. But let's be clear what the status quo is....resistance by a well oiled lobbying machine depended on a two party gov't system that allows for "legal" chicanery in the voting process. Until ALL the people who are tired of the SOS and actually unite to change the system like Ghandi and King showed, it's just a sick carousel ride for another generation.
 
Hello Taichiliberal,

Taichiliberal said:
PT, you talk a lot but say nothing new.

It seems you're not happy with how I deconstructed your previous offered solutions, so you label what I point to as a "light approach".

Excuse me? National registration has been fought tooth and nail by the gun lobby for decades now....they do this because if such a law is enacted, violation can result in prosecution and/or incarceration.

And the 1994 AWB worked. Period! The gun lobby made damned sure their congressional flunkies voted against renewing that piece of legislation....and since then people died by the very weapons that were on that list.

Neither of the aforementioned will eliminate gun crime in America, but they damn sure will reduce it. And of course, some common sense funding of better mental health facilities and access (further health care reform) wouldn't help.

Nothing "light" about these approaches, because a "heavy" approach would be the very draconian methods that the gun lobby propaganda machine has been lying about for years.

Yes like you, I and millions others are frustrated with the status quo. But let's be clear what the status quo is....resistance by a well oiled lobbying machine depended on a two party gov't system that allows for "legal" chicanery in the voting process. Until ALL the people who are tired of the SOS and actually unite to change the system like Ghandi and King showed, it's just a sick carousel ride for another generation.
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Label things whatever you like. Measures must be applied and increased until the problem is solved. The idea that nothing every changes is false. Things don't change until they change. National frustration with the status quo grows with every mass shooting. Sooner or later something is going to push this issue over the top.
 
Matt Dillon said:
You better stay your ass home before you get a DUI.

Tbh, growing up, I had friends I'd rather ride with drunk than others that were sober.

I knew who could drive drunk and who couldn't.
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Oh. That guy. Would you please stop responding to him? When you do, I can see his posts!!!
 
Walt said:
The same state that wants to make it a crime for websites to control what is posted on them, also allows censorship of anything that makes them uncomfortable.
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Look at the stories now, it appears it was just a f-up. Anyone with a phone can go to YouTube and see the whole thing if they want to.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Please explain exactly who Kimmel is "condescending" to as he relates the FACTS of the situation. And then YOU can tell the reading audience what he is NOT "listening" to, much less what YOU consider a conversation on the subject (so far, YOU have offered NOTHING in that respect). We'll wait until your mental nap is over.
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Poor Hawkeye10. He hates himself so much he wants his self-hatred to consume everyone else. He's like a cyber mass-shooter.
 
Taichiliberal said:
And that's the thing...our NRA flunkies and MAGA minions categorize ANY gun control legislation as inevitably leading to a repeal of the 2nd Amendment (or which they misconstrue anyway, but I digress). For decades they ran lies in print and broadcast media depicting a "hidden agenda" of total weapons confiscation and such....yet when pressed could not supply one documentation of proposed legislation that stated or alluded to such.

Then they ignore the FACT that since the sunset of the 1994 AWB, the weapon of choice by mass shooters has been those on the list. Unless it's their family or friends or relatives, they just don't care....it's all academic and ideology.

Given how our political system guards itself against true change (more than 2 parties), I dare say more people will begin to feel as you do as the body counts continue....the blame to be put squarely on the shoulders of those who advocate the status quo.
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I disagree. NRA/aka gun manufacturers aren't worried about 2A. Their only concern is a reduction in sales volume and their profit margin. The death of a few innocent kids isn't as important to gun manufacturers as is their next quarterly financials and their stock price.
 
Taichiliberal said:
PT, you talk a lot but say nothing new.

It seems you're not happy with how I deconstructed your previous offered solutions, so you label what I point to as a "light approach".

Excuse me? National registration has been fought tooth and nail by the gun lobby for decades now....they do this because if such a law is enacted, violation can result in prosecution and/or incarceration.

And the 1994 AWB worked. Period! The gun lobby made damned sure their congressional flunkies voted against renewing that piece of legislation....and since then people died by the very weapons that were on that list.

Neither of the aforementioned will eliminate gun crime in America, but they damn sure will reduce it. And of course, some common sense funding of better mental health facilities and access (further health care reform) wouldn't help.

Nothing "light" about these approaches, because a "heavy" approach would be the very draconian methods that the gun lobby propaganda machine has been lying about for years.

Yes like you, I and millions others are frustrated with the status quo. But let's be clear what the status quo is....resistance by a well oiled lobbying machine depended on a two party gov't system that allows for "legal" chicanery in the voting process. Until ALL the people who are tired of the SOS and actually unite to change the system like Ghandi and King showed, it's just a sick carousel ride for another generation.
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They do that because they know about 1938 Germany, you Nazi wanna-be! Try that shit in this day and age and it ain't gonna go like last time. You're gonna be fighting a majority of Americans.

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PoliTalker said:
Hello Taichiliberal,
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
PT, you talk a lot but say nothing new.

It seems you're not happy with how I deconstructed your previous offered solutions, so you label what I point to as a "light approach".

Excuse me? National registration has been fought tooth and nail by the gun lobby for decades now....they do this because if such a law is enacted, violation can result in prosecution and/or incarceration.

And the 1994 AWB worked. Period! The gun lobby made damned sure their congressional flunkies voted against renewing that piece of legislation....and since then people died by the very weapons that were on that list.

Neither of the aforementioned will eliminate gun crime in America, but they damn sure will reduce it. And of course, some common sense funding of better mental health facilities and access (further health care reform) wouldn't help.

Nothing "light" about these approaches, because a "heavy" approach would be the very draconian methods that the gun lobby propaganda machine has been lying about for years.

Yes like you, I and millions others are frustrated with the status quo. But let's be clear what the status quo is....resistance by a well oiled lobbying machine depended on a two party gov't system that allows for "legal" chicanery in the voting process. Until ALL the people who are tired of the SOS and actually unite to change the system like Ghandi and King showed, it's just a sick carousel ride for another generation.
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Label things whatever you like. Measures must be applied and increased until the problem is solved. The idea that nothing every changes is false. Things don't change until they change. National frustration with the status quo grows with every mass shooting. Sooner or later something is going to push this issue over the top.
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1 - Your first sentence is a lame dodge, a cop out rather than just admit my assessment of your original assertion was correct. You can't "grey (or is it gray?) area your way out of this one. Being incorrect or wrong is no great shame or sin, especially on an anonymous format such as this.

2 - Your second sentence demands a "no shit sherlock, tell us something we don't know" response, as I laid out two major measures (violation of either would result in heavy fines and/or jail time) that the GOP has successfully either prevented or curtailed.

3 - I never stated "nothing ever changes" ... I pointed out the FACT that IF we maintain the some old system and do not change how we approach the situation nothing will change. Please refrain from trying to revise the meanings of what I write.

4 - A moot statement/point that signify's nothing with regards to your inability to concede error as I demonstrated.

5 -See #2 and #4.
 
Hello Taichiliberal,,

Taichiliberal said:
1 - Your first sentence is a lame dodge, a cop out rather than just admit my assessment of your original assertion was correct. You can't "grey (or is it gray?) area your way out of this one. Being incorrect or wrong is no great shame or sin, especially on an anonymous format such as this.

2 - Your second sentence demands a "no shit sherlock, tell us something we don't know" response, as I laid out two major measures (violation of either would result in heavy fines and/or jail time) that the GOP has successfully either prevented or curtailed.

3 - I never stated "nothing ever changes" ... I pointed out the FACT that IF we maintain the some old system and do not change how we approach the situation nothing will change. Please refrain from trying to revise the meanings of what I write.

4 - A moot statement/point that signify's nothing with regards to your inability to concede error as I demonstrated.

5 -See #2 and #4.
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So this is in response to my sentence:

" Measures must be applied and increased until the problem is solved. " ?

I stand by that sentence.

I also agree with all the measures you have mentioned. The 1994 AWB, a national registry, increased access to mental health care.

I would like to see more. Repeals the 2nd. Replace it with something that reflects the world we live in now, not the world of 1789.
 
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