Kilmar Abrego Garcia on way back to US

[Jarod]

Really? Do you know that for sure? In fact, the indictment lists 6 co-conspirators. It's very likely they were all charged too.


Charge 3 in the indictment.

Trump's loss rate is nowhere near 95%.

Read the indictment here:

Kilmar Abrego Garcia charged with human trafficking: Read the indictment

The indictment, filed in Tennessee, alleges Abrego Garcia participated in human trafficking and smuggling for nine years.

www.newsweek.com

You missed the point, I never said he wasn’t a criminal, I said he deserved due process, now he’s going to get it!

I’m happy!

 

[T. A. Gardner]

You missed the point, I never said he wasn’t a criminal, I said he deserved due process, now he’s going to get it!

Yes, he is, all twelve inches rammed in hard and dry with a jack hammer. His chances of being acquitted are next to nil. So, because some DC Leftist judge forced the government's hand this guy will be going to prison for the rest of his life, either in the US or El Salvador.

 

[AProudLefty]

All those who said he'll never be returned: pffft

 

[Jarod]

Yes, he is, all twelve inches rammed in hard and dry with a jack hammer. His chances of being acquitted are next to nil. So, because some DC Leftist judge forced the government's hand this guy will be going to prison for the rest of his life, either in the US or El Salvador.

Ok with me, if he is a child trafficker. Should have done this in the first place.

He is being treated legally, and within the laws of the US and our constitution. Good stuff.

Justice wins!

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Really? Do you know that for sure? In fact, the indictment lists 6 co-conspirators. It's very likely they were all charged too.

It's very likely they weren't since there is not an indictment released charging them.

Charge 3 in the indictment.

There are only 2 charges in the indictment. How am I supposed to find a third charge?
Count 1 - Conspiracy to transport aliens.
Count 2 - Unlawful transportation of undocumented aliens

The indictment says co-conspirators sent money overseas. It does not allege Abrego Garcia did that.

Trump's loss rate is nowhere near 95%.

I guess you haven't been paying attention to the cases with Trump.

Read the indictment here:

Kilmar Abrego Garcia charged with human trafficking: Read the indictment

The indictment, filed in Tennessee, alleges Abrego Garcia participated in human trafficking and smuggling for nine years.

www.newsweek.com

I posted it earlier. Clearly you haven't read it since you claimed I needed to read the 3rd charge.
Perhaps you meant the third paragraph which says nothing about moving money overseas but only says the co-conspirators moved money between themselves. You will note it doesn't say Abrego Garcia passed money to other co-conspirators.

I do love the allegation that part of the conspiracy was to travel without luggage. Did you know it is illegal to travel without luggage in the US?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

It's very likely they weren't since there is not an indictment released charging them.

There are only 2 charges in the indictment. How am I supposed to find a third charge?
Count 1 - Conspiracy to transport aliens.
Count 2 - Unlawful transportation of undocumented aliens

The indictment says co-conspirators sent money overseas. It does not allege Abrego Garcia did that.

If he's a co-conspirator, then he is equally culpable for their sending money overseas. That's how conspiracy laws work. The getaway driver in an bank robbery is a bank robber even though he never entered the bank.

I guess you haven't been paying attention to the cases with Trump.

I have. Most of the stuff being tossed at him eventually gets overturned.

I posted it earlier. Clearly you haven't read it since you claimed I needed to read the 3rd charge.
Perhaps you meant the third paragraph which says nothing about moving money overseas but only says the co-conspirators moved money between themselves. You will note it doesn't say Abrego Garcia passed money to other co-conspirators.

I do love the allegation that part of the conspiracy was to travel without luggage. Did you know it is illegal to travel without luggage in the US?

In a conspiracy, all the conspirators are equally libel for all charges brought. That means if others in the conspiracy did something to further the conspiracy, then every conspirator can be charged with that crime. The claim made about travelling without luggage was evidence presented to show that those doing so were being smuggled and not simply construction workers who would normally be expected to provide their own set of hand tools for example.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

If he's a co-conspirator, then he is equally culpable for their sending money overseas. That's how conspiracy laws work. The getaway driver in an bank robbery is a bank robber even though he never entered the bank.

Conspiracies are hard to prove. Particularly when Abrego Garcia didn't know and had never met 4 of the alleged co-conspirators.

I have. Most of the stuff being tossed at him eventually gets overturned.

In a conspiracy, all the conspirators are equally libel for all charges brought. That means if others in the conspiracy did something to further the conspiracy, then every conspirator can be charged with that crime. The claim made about travelling without luggage was evidence presented to show that those doing so were being smuggled and not simply construction workers who would normally be expected to provide their own set of hand tools for example.

Except that wasn't the claim. The indictment basically says that as part of the conspiracy, none of them carried luggage. That would require that they conspired to not carry luggage. It could be the indictment wasn't artful in it's language but as written, it means one element of the conspiracy was not carrying luggage. You can't conspire to do something that is legal. It is not illegal to not have luggage.

As an interesting side note. As found by a law professor, DOJ documents from 2022 already dispute one of the claims in the indictment. The 2022 document states that Abrego Garcia said he was coming from Houston three days prior on his way to MD via St Louis. The indictment claims he never said anything about TX but claimed he had been in St Louis for 2 weeks. That is a pretty big error in the indictment and in information given to GJ.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Conspiracies are hard to prove. Particularly when Abrego Garcia didn't know and had never met 4 of the alleged co-conspirators.

Actually, conspiracy charges are hard to beat. All that's needed by the prosecution is to show a solid link between the conspirators and after that, the defendant is pretty much fucked.

Except that wasn't the claim. The indictment basically says that as part of the conspiracy, none of them carried luggage. That would require that they conspired to not carry luggage. It could be the indictment wasn't artful in it's language but as written, it means one element of the conspiracy was not carrying luggage. You can't conspire to do something that is legal. It is not illegal to not have luggage.

The claim in the indictment is no indication of what will be actually presented at trial beyond an outline. You are focused on something that is a minor detail here.

As an interesting side note. As found by a law professor, DOJ documents from 2022 already dispute one of the claims in the indictment. The 2022 document states that Abrego Garcia said he was coming from Houston three days prior on his way to MD via St Louis. The indictment claims he never said anything about TX but claimed he had been in St Louis for 2 weeks. That is a pretty big error in the indictment and in information given to GJ.

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I say Garcia is fucked. The feds will nail him and he's going to prison for a decade or more.

 

[EdwinA]

Looks like they were able to facilitate his return.

If he is convicted he should go to prison first then be deported. This actually is due process!

I guess Bondi looked up the term!

Actually he should be left in El Salvador, but you deviants and commies need these serial killers here in the U.S. for your agendas.

 

[Damocles]

I never said they didn't indict. I said that the job of a grand jury is not to decide the evidence is true. They only decide if the evidence as presented is enough to indict. Go back and read my post.

What you said was "she was calling things 'true'", therefore I showed you what True Bill meant. It is literally what a Grand Jury returns when they indict. Stop being deliberately ignorant, that's what this is now. You want her to be "wrong" so badly you ignore actual information in purposeful stupidity in order to continue to believe she is "wrong"...

Y'all should pay attention, she's actually qualified for the job she was appointed to... She may be pretty, but you shouldn't dismiss her for her looks, misogyny doesn't look good on you, and even worse when you have to literally pretend to be stupid to keep it up.

 

[Damocles]

You missed the point, I never said he wasn’t a criminal, I said he deserved due process, now he’s going to get it!

I’m happy!

TA Gardner simply posted a link to the indictment, it seems you are giving him an opinion. He posted a response to Dull Richard "Saying True Bill is bad" Saunders, giving a link to the indictment asking if he was sure that Abrego Garcia was the only person facing charges.

This response is a non-sequitur pretending he responded to you saying something different.

 

[Libhater]

 

[Earl]

This is the wife beating MS-13 human trafficking piece of human mierda that the far left loons want in the US.

They even went to El Salvador to have cocktails with him.

This is what they support and why they lost in 2024 and will continue to lose.

He won't be able to vote for them in prison or from El Salvador...hopefully.

 

[Libhater]

This is the wife beating MS-13 human trafficking piece of human mierda that the far left loons want in the US.

They even went to El Salvador to have cocktails with him.

This is what they support and why they lost in 2024 and will continue to lose.

Far left loons only starts to describe these anti American jerkoffs.

 

[Earl]

Far left loons only starts to describe these anti American jerkoffs.

Indeed.

They want them in the US for their votes.

Never mind that they rape and murder Americans, even children.

Sewer rats.

 

[EdwinA]

Far left loons only starts to describe these anti American jerkoffs.

They don't have any principles or morals, left or otherwise. They're just little bourgeois deviant chaos monkey outliers all mad n shit over the rest of the world not treating them and their sicko psychotic whims as the Center Of The Universe.

 

[Jarod]

Indeed.

They want them in the US for their votes.

Never mind that they rape and murder Americans, even children.

Sewer rats.

We dont need illegals for votes..

You will just make up all kind of fraud to pretend happened.

 

[Jarod]

This is the wife beating MS-13 human trafficking piece of human mierda that the far left loons want in the US.

They even went to El Salvador to have cocktails with him.

This is what they support and why they lost in 2024 and will continue to lose.

He won't be able to vote for them in prison or from El Salvador...hopefully.

You missed the point, I never said he wasn’t a criminal, I said he deserved due process, now he’s going to get it!

I’m happy!

 

[Jarod]

This is the wife beating MS-13 human trafficking piece of human mierda that the far left loons want in the US.

They even went to El Salvador to have cocktails with him.

This is what they support and why they lost in 2024 and will continue to lose.

He won't be able to vote for them in prison or from El Salvador...hopefully.

You missed the point, I never said he wasn’t a criminal, I said he deserved due process, now he’s going to get it!

I’m happy!

 

[Sammy Jankis]

So, when he's convicted and then sent back will they still cry about the "Maryland Man"?

yes.