Killer set free

Mojo said:
"Gov. David A. Paterson set John White free following a large-scale campaign on his behalf with letter-writing drives, online petitions and personal appeals to the governor from African-American leaders, including the Rev. Al Sharpton.

White's lawyers also submitted hundreds of pages of trial documents for review by Paterson's counsel and his Executive Clemency Committee, which makes recommendations on such requests, while leaving the final decisions to the governor.

"It's safe to say he received very extensive input," Paterson spokeswoman Jessica Bassett said.

Sharpton said he spoke personally to the governor once or twice about the case. Paterson called him Thursday morning to inform him of the decision, he said."

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/campaign-to-free-john-white-swayed-paterson-1.2566695

"I was delighted to hear it," Sharpton said.
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The original post, whose title "TaiChiLiberal" claims contains "insinuations".

"TaiChiLiberal" then ascribes various sentiments to myself and others with no corroborating evidence.

He objects to the use of the term "killer".

"Gov. pardons John Harris White, convicted killer"...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/t/gov-pardons-john-harris-w_1_18005828468477953.html
 
Mojo said:
Another headline....


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat..._of_how_us_soldiers_killed_afghan_civili.html
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Which is about a group of soldiers who went rogue and "killed for fun"...the article DOES NOT refer to US SOLDIERS IN GENERAL AS KILLERS, which has a different connotation.

You can do this all day, but YOU CAN'T PRODUCE THE ARTICLE THAT APPLIES YOUR MYOPIC GENERALIZATION TO US SOLDIERS AS YOU DO TO WHITE.

But your just an insipidly stubborn Mojo blowing smoke. Carry on.
 
Taichiliberal said:
The article you provide DOES NOT have a headline that says " US Killers Afghanistan accused of murder".....it says 6 ways to Sunday that they are "ACCUSED" of murder, that they "ACCUSED of FORMING A KILL SQUAD....they are NOT generally referred to as killers, which is how YOU referred to White in your title.

Big difference in the connotation ....get an adult relative or fried to explain it to you.
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It's how several major media outlets decribed Mr. White, who is a killer.

Do you need me to re-post the links?
 
Mojo said:
The original post, whose title "TaiChiLiberal" claims contains "insinuations".

"TaiChiLiberal" then ascribes various sentiments to myself and others with no corroborating evidence.

He objects to the use of the term "killer".

"Gov. pardons John Harris White, convicted killer"...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/t/gov-pardons-john-harris-w_1_18005828468477953.html
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Stop lying Mojo....as the chronology of the posts shows, I object to YOUR connotation via your subject title sentence.

To date YOU cannot back up your foolish assertion that anyone who kills under any circumstance is a killer because YOU CANNOT PRODUCE AN ARTICLE THAT REFERS TO OUR TROOPS (ALL OF THEM) AS SUCH.

Saying a man is a killer and then reading that he was convicted of 2nd degree manslaughter lends to slight misleading. As I said, the connotation is thing....but hey, you'll just ignore that.

Oh, and a twitter posting is NOT a leading headline on a newspaper, you silly mojo person. It's the equivalent of YOU posting your subject title and getting it printed on a website.

You're grasping at straws, Mojo...it's pathetic.
 
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Taichiliberal said:
And when you have a major newspaper refer to our troops as "killers" or YOU start a thread saying "killers in Afghanistan.." and then post a story attaching that attribute regarding US troop actions, THEN maybe you might have a point.

Until then, you're just shoveling a steaming Mojo pile.
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Seems that a couple of major newspapers have done just that.

Do you need those links re-posted, too?
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
The article you provide DOES NOT have a headline that says " US Killers Afghanistan accused of murder".....it says 6 ways to Sunday that they are "ACCUSED" of murder, that they "ACCUSED of FORMING A KILL SQUAD....they are NOT generally referred to as killers, which is how YOU referred to White in your title.

Big difference in the connotation ....get an adult relative or fried to explain it to you.
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Mojo said:
It's how several major media outlets decribed Mr. White, who is a killer.

Do you need me to re-post the links?
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:lies:
As the chronology of the posts shows, I've addressed each of your links and logically/factually explained why they don't meet the challenge I gave to you.

Grow up Mojo....
 
Taichiliberal said:
Stop lying Mojo....as the chronology of the posts shows, I object to YOUR connotation via your subject title sentence.

To date YOU cannot back up your foolish assertion that anyone who kills under any circumstance is a killer because YOU CANNOT PRODUCE AN ARTICLE THAT REFERS TO OUR TROOPS (ALL OF THEM) AS SUCH.

Saying a man is a killer and then reading that he was convicted of 2nd degree manslaughter lends to slight misleading. As I said, the connotation is thing....but hey, you'll just ignore that.
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As your post (seen above) states, I "might have a point".

A man convicted of manslaughter has killed.

If Mr. White hadn't killed, he wouldn't be a killer.

He did.

BTW, news reports continue to refer to Mr. White as a "killer".

"Heartsick father of Daniel Cicciaro visits son's grave as killer freed by Gov. Paterson goes home"

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local...ts_sons_grave_as_killer_freed_by_gov_pat.html

"John White: Daniel Cicciaro Convicted Killer Sentence Commuted By Gov. David Paterson"

http://www.mwza.com/john-white-daniel-cicciaro-convicted-killer/

"Governor regrets not informing victim's family before commuting killer"

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/24/new.york.governor.commute/
 
Mojo said:
Seems that a couple of major newspapers have done just that.

Do you need those links re-posted, too?
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:lies:

As the chronology of the posts shows, I've addressed each of your links and logically/factually explained why they don't meet the challenge I gave to you.

Grow up Mojo....
 
Taichiliberal said:
And when you have a major newspaper refer to our troops as "killers" or YOU start a thread saying "killers in Afghanistan.." and then post a story attaching that attribute regarding US troop actions, THEN maybe you might have a point.

Until then, you're just shoveling a steaming Mojo pile.
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Hmmm. In viewing the "chronology" of the posts, I see no reference to headlines in your demand that I produce an example of a major newspaper referring to US troops as killers.

I see red text, capital letters, a couple of false attributions on your part, several "in conclusion" remarks follwed by more special pleading, and a marked disregard for courtesy on your part.

What I don't see - because it isn't there - is any shred of evidence that I am "pissed" about the commutation of Mr. White's sentence.

My original tile was copied verbatim from a news report, and it was posted verbatim, without comment.

The rest is your imagination.
 
Mojo said:
As your post (seen above) states, I "might have a point".

A man convicted of manslaughter has killed.

If Mr. White hadn't killed, he wouldn't be a killer.

He did.

BTW, news reports continue to refer to Mr. White as a "killer".

"Heartsick father of Daniel Cicciaro visits son's grave as killer freed by Gov. Paterson goes home"

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local...ts_sons_grave_as_killer_freed_by_gov_pat.html

"John White: Daniel Cicciaro Convicted Killer Sentence Commuted By Gov. David Paterson"

http://www.mwza.com/john-white-daniel-cicciaro-convicted-killer/

"Governor regrets not informing victim's family before commuting killer"

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/24/new.york.governor.commute/
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Mojo, stop acting stupid:

You can post all the articles you like that call White a "killer"...and I'll just point out that the connotation of their sentences belies the actual conviction....

Let me dumb it down for you...AGAIN: Calling someone a "killer" in general connotates murder with intent, murder pre-meditated (aka Murder One). Saying some commited 2nd degree manslaughter connotates a killing done by accident or unintentional through ones actions.

Now you can repeat yourself ad nauseum, Mojo...have the last word doing so. But as I've said, YOU CANNOT PRODUCE AN ARTICLE THAT CONNOTATES THE SAME "KILLER" STANDARD TO ALL OUR US TROOPS THAT YOU GIVE WHITE.

As the chronology of the posts shows, you do a Mojo dance around that and whirl like a dervish...BUT YOU CAN'T MEET THE CHALLENGE.

You're done. Carry on.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Mojo, stop acting stupid:

You can post all the articles you like that call White a "killer"...and I'll just point out that the connotation of their sentences belies the actual conviction....

Let me dumb it down for you...AGAIN: Calling someone a "killer" in general connotates murder with intent, murder pre-meditated (aka Murder One). Saying some commited 2nd degree manslaughter connotates a killing done by accident or unintentional through ones actions.

Now you can repeat yourself ad nauseum, Mojo...have the last word doing so. But as I've said, YOU CANNOT PRODUCE AN ARTICLE THAT CONNOTATES THE SAME "KILLER" STANDARD TO ALL OUR US TROOPS THAT YOU GIVE WHITE.

As the chronology of the posts shows, you do a Mojo dance around that and whirl like a dervish...BUT YOU CAN'T MEET THE CHALLENGE.

You're done. Carry on.
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"Calling someone a "killer" in general connotates murder with intent, murder pre-meditated (aka Murder One)."

You're entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to view it with skepticism, since the dictionary doesn't agree with you.

kill·er   /ˈkɪlər/ Show Spelled
[kil-er] Show IPA

–noun
1. a person or thing that kills.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/killer

"Saying some commited 2nd degree manslaughter connotates a killing done by accident or unintentional through ones actions."

Any inference is strictly your own.

I'm done?

You've said this before.

You said I could have the last word, too.

Were you lying?
 
Mojo said:
Hmmm. In viewing the "chronology" of the posts, I see no reference to headlines in your demand that I produce an example of a major newspaper referring to US troops as killers.

You're either a liar, unable to comprehend what you read, or are so childishly determined not to admit you're wrong that you're going to play dumb and stall by rehashing everything ad nauseum. Sorry, but that dog of yours won't fly here in face of the chronology of the posts.

I see red text, capital letters, a couple of false attributions on your part, several "in conclusion" remarks follwed by more special pleading, and a marked disregard for courtesy on your part.

See above response
What I don't see - because it isn't there - is any shred of evidence that I am "pissed" about the commutation of Mr. White's sentence.

This was previously addressed in another post....I didn't accuse YOU of this, and you cannot provide the quote and post number where I did. I detest liars on something as anonymous as these discussion boards, Mojo...if you're so damned childish and petty that you have to lie rather than admit I right on one point, then there's not point in wasting time on you....grow up, Mojo.
My original tile was copied verbatim from a news report, and it was posted verbatim, without comment.

BFD....you wouldn't have posted it as such if you didn't agree with it. It's a bad connotation regarding the actual facts of the case, as I've proven factually and logically. It's not done to describe our general troop action, as I've demonstrated factually and logically, despite your silly attempts to dance around that.The rest is your imagination.
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Only in your petty little mind, Mojo. Adios for now.
 
Mojo said:
As your post (seen above) states, I "might have a point".

A man convicted of manslaughter has killed.

If Mr. White hadn't killed, he wouldn't be a killer.

He did.

BTW, news reports continue to refer to Mr. White as a "killer".

"Heartsick father of Daniel Cicciaro visits son's grave as killer freed by Gov. Paterson goes home"

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local...ts_sons_grave_as_killer_freed_by_gov_pat.html

"John White: Daniel Cicciaro Convicted Killer Sentence Commuted By Gov. David Paterson"

http://www.mwza.com/john-white-daniel-cicciaro-convicted-killer/

"Governor regrets not informing victim's family before commuting killer"

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/24/new.york.governor.commute/
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Are you having fun yet Mojo?

You can pwn the asshole all day long and the wonder of it all is, Libby don't ever get it....his total arrogance won't allow him to even imagine hes wrong, let alone admit it....yet we all see it....

I find it entertaining.....hes like maineman and desh all rolled up in one.....no matter how many times you point out, and prove the man was referred to as a "killer"....it just escapes him....
 
bravo said:
Are you having fun yet Mojo?

You can pwn the asshole all day long and the wonder of it all is, Libby don't ever get it....his total arrogance won't allow him to even imagine hes wrong, let alone admit it....yet we all see it....

I find it entertaining.....hes like maineman and desh all rolled up in one.....no matter how many times you point out, and prove the man was referred to as a "killer"....it just escapes him....
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I'm puzzled.

You and I have disagreed several times, yet "TaiChiLiberal" seems to think we are part of a monolithic conspiracy against Mr. White.

He believes, apparently, that "killer" means "murderer with intent".

He also tried to say that I described White as a "killer" out of some intention to express anger over the commutation.

Plainly many news editors described White as a killer...because he is a killer, according to the dictionary.

He also attempted to attribute opinions and attitudes to you (and myself) which are nowhere expressed in this thread.

Chronology, indeed!

I liked the red herring he introduced when he threw out a challenge to produce a story from a major newspaper describing US soldiers as "killers", and then tried to change the rules after I produced two.

It'll be interesting to see how often he revisits the issue.
 
bravo said:
Are you having fun yet Mojo?

You can pwn the asshole all day long and the wonder of it all is, Libby don't ever get it....his total arrogance won't allow him to even imagine hes wrong, let alone admit it....yet we all see it....

I find it entertaining.....hes like maineman and desh all rolled up in one.....no matter how many times you point out, and prove the man was referred to as a "killer"....it just escapes him....
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As you can see, folks...Mojo's myopic viewpoint and convoluted logic on this issue appeals to Bravo's willful ignorance and congenital stupidity. Mojo's blatant and insipid stubborness on this issue is right up Bravo's alley.

Strange bedfellows, to be sure. I look forward to their many maudlin exchanges.
 
While I do not know all the details of the case, the idea that the other person must be armed to comprise a direct threat to the family members is mistaken when that one, unarmed individual is part of a larger, and from what I gather, threatening group of people. I mean THINK about it: a large group of angry people come on your property, threatening action against one of your family members, and you are supposed to sit still and take it because they are "not armed"? Bullshit. Race has nothing to do with it either way. We don't have to "imagine the roles reversed." If a WHITE person were facing down a mob of angry, drunken WHITE teenagers, where is the difference? The man had every right to judge himself and his family threatened, and as such had the right to use lethal force to address that threat. The death iss regrettable, as all deaths in such inane circumstances are. But the man was not, as far as I can tell from the information available, in the wrong. (Nor was he wrong for owning a firearm in the first place.) Frankly the man should have been given a full pardon, not just a commuted sentence.
 
Oh, and touchy: since the sentence was merely commuted, the man is still legally defined as a killer, no matter how you feel about it. Too bad, you lose (yet again.)
 
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