Kiev remains unbowed

BartenderElite said:
You have got to be kidding me.
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you have got to say something if you want a response.. Start with shelling cities -not cruise missiles
if Putin wasnt trying to keep down civilian casualties.

I did notice Zelensky banned adult males from crossing into Poland -he wants them to die to the last man
talking about "molotov cocktails" and such
 
anatta said:
you must not be paying attention to Zelenskys constant pushing for NATO fast track membership
as well as the constant flow of heavy advanced weapons that have been going to Kiev well before the Russian "massing" at the border.
Lot's of Ukrainians have relatives in Russia as well

It's not the Ukrainian people that Putin wants tossed -it's the Kyiv government which is all NATO but in name
we ignored and dismissed Putins redlines and armed up Ukraine to the point it became a hostile state toMoscow
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You are never going to understand or appreciate what average educated Russians think if you continue to get your information about Russia from FSB, Tucker Carlson, and Putin's apologists in the American rightwing media.

This is a petition circulating in Russia, which has been signed by Nobel laureates, scientists, doctors, politicians, actors, authors, journalists, and thousands of ordinary citizens.

Compatriots!
Russia's war against Ukraine is a SHAME.
This is OUR shame, but unfortunately generations of very young and unborn Russians will also have to bear responsibility for it. We don't want our children to live in an aggressor country, to feel ashamed of their army attacking a neighboring independent state.

We urge citizens of Russia to say NO to this war.

We do not believe that independent Ukraine is a threat to Russia or any other state.

We do not believe Vladimir Putin's statements that the Ukrainian people are under the power of "Nazis" and need to be "liberated".

We demand this war to end!
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anatta said:
you have got to say something if you want a response.. Start with shelling cities -not cruise missiles
if Putin wasnt trying to keep down civilian casualties.

I did notice Zelensky banned adult males from crossing into Poland -he wants them to die to the last man
talking about "molotov cocktails" and such
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Is he a "drug addict?"

Why not just go all in on the propaganda?
 
It’s night again in Ukraine, which brings its own set of risks and dangers. At this point, dozens of Russian saboteurs and infiltrators have been caught in Kyiv and other cities, where they’ve being trying to start fires, create havoc, and mark targets for Russian attacks. There’s no doubt that many more have gone unnoticed, and the appearance of spray-painted X’s on roof tops, and flashing window lights at night shows that Russian agents are having some success at indicating locations of interest to Russian military forces.

On the other hand, the simple fact that Russian forces are in there with spray cans is a different kind of signal — a signal that Russia doesn’t have an adequate supply of high tech weapons to make the kind of attacks might be expected before such an invasion. Spray paint isn’t the kind of tool that’s necessary when you have centimeter-scale models of the terrain and building, and missiles being guided to their targets with military-grade GPS (or Russian GLONASS). Reports have also come out that Russia missed taking out much of Ukraine’s air defense because their intelligence was simply poor.

Likewise, while the nights have brought some heavy bombardments from GRAD missiles and even pitched battles between armor units, Russia hasn’t been making major inroads into Ukraine under the cover of darkness. U.S. forces prefer to fight at night, because they have the night vision systems to give them a significant advantage over less well equipped opponents. From the Russian forces that have been destroyed or captured so far, there is little to no sign that Russian troops are equipped with such systems.

This doesn’t mean the Russians aren’t formidable. They have systems a couple of generations improved over most of those being used by Ukraine, and as the old dictum (often falsely attributed to Stalin, but apparently the product of the U.S. War College) goes — “Quantity has a quality all its own.” Russia may have lost over 1,500 troops, but Putin can just get out the pitchfork and shovel in thousands more.

Still, every day is bringing a higher price, not just in men killed and equipment lost, but in the unity of a world gathering itself against Russia. Even autocratic leaders like Hungary’s Viktor Orbán can see which way the wind is blowing. Russia isn’t just losing the war so far, and it’s not just losing it’s economy. It’s losing respect. It’s losing its tentative claims to be a superpower in any sense other than sitting on a nest of aging nukes. Even the assumption that Russia would eventually win this thing, the “it’s just a matter of time,” that experts have been putting forward confidently, is starting to seem a little bit iffy.

That bear … doesn’t he look kind of mangy?
 
Cypress said:
You are never going to understand or appreciate what average educated Russians think if you continue to get your information about Russia from FSB, Tucker Carlson, and Putin's apologists in the American rightwing media.

This is a petition circulating in Russia, which has been signed by Nobel laureates, scientists, doctors, politicians, actors, authors, journalists, and thousands of ordinary citizens.
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Im sure the "democratic forces" ( what we call the elites) are bent.
"thousands of ordinary citizens" though show the intelligentsia is separate from ordinary Russian

dont even continue to insult me about where i get my news .
it's a pathetic attempt to diminish my logic skills

where did you get your news on the fake regime change of Qadaffi bombing civilians?
I didnt swallow that either.
I dint get that anywhere but thru diligent research and some collaboration with BAC
I got the internet. I multisource
 
Cypress said:
I was never in favor previously of NATO membership for Ukraine.

But if they hold out against this onslaught of illegal military aggression, I am going to back their membership in NATO.
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Willing to back but never actually fight. The lefts creed. STFU wimpyl
 
anatta said:
Im sure the "democratic forces" ( what we call the elites) are bent.
"thousands of ordinary citizens" though show the intelligentsia is separate from ordinary Russian

dont even continue to insult me about where i get my news .
it's a pathetic attempt to diminish my logic skills

where did you get your news on the fake regime change of Qadaffi bombing civilians?
I didnt swallow that either.
I dint get that anywhere but thru diligent research and some collaboration with BAC
I got the internet. I multisource
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quit your bitchin for a sec, have you seen that embarrassing Soviet armor in the streets over there? the main battle tanks look like old Packards and the APC's look like Dodge minivans, what the fuck has Putin been spending all that money on, hookers?
 
reagansghost said:
quit your bitchin for a sec, have you seen that embarrassing Soviet armor in the streets over there? the main battle tanks look like old Packards and the APC's look like Dodge minivans, what the fuck has Putin been spending all that money on, hookers?
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When did you serve or know anything about military amour lad? Be specific now .
 
it'd be fun if Biden sent in the US military.....love to see the 1st Armored Division roll up on those Soviet jalopies, especially since they don't control the skies, sitting ducks

and watching a few squadrons of Apaches and F-22 Raptors chop them up like sausages
 
reagansghost said:
it'd be fun if Biden sent in the US military.....love to see the 1st Armored Division roll up on those Soviet jalopies, especially since they don't control the skies, sitting ducks

and watching a few squadrons of Apaches and F-22 Raptors chop them up like sausages
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Once again RG. When and where did you serve chickenshit??????????????????????? What is taking you so long to answer.....wimpy.
 
Cypress said:
Stiff Ukrainian resistance slowing Russian march to Kyiv; Zelenskyy vows to fight

Russian forces have grown increasingly frustrated by Ukrainian resistance, particularly near the capital of Kyiv, and the Russian advance remains about 18 miles from the city, a senior Defense Department official said Saturday.

Russia has, however, sent reconnaissance forces into Kyiv, the official said, declining to say how many of those troops have penetrated the city.

The resistance is stiffening as Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Saturday pressed the world to help his country beat back a Russian invasion, even as those forces attacked Kyiv from various directions in an effort to take the capital.

The Pentagon Saturday also announced that $350 in emergency military aid to Ukraine. That package includes Javelin anti-armor missiles, ammunition and body armor, according to the Pofficial.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/6947419001
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Yeah, I wouldn't bet on that. It is what it is and I don't like it. So is that taxpayer money just going to be pissed off into the wind, or what?

Russians are 800 yds from Zelenko's front door and have him in a pincer move + coming up from behind.

If he lives through the next week, he's a bad motherfucker.

As for the order to kill his family...that's fucked up.
 
America has learned that people fight to the end to protect their homeland and their families. We learned that lesson the hard way. Russia was shown that in Afghanistan. They think this will be different. Ukraine people are getting more and more weapons from Europe and America. If Putin takes Kyiv, the Ukraine's will still be able to fight a guerrilla war against him. The cost and attrition to the Russian army and the country will be intolerable to the people. This war does not have the backing Putin needs to keep it up indefinitely.
 
anatta said:
you fucking idiot
Those are t-72B3 tanks. modern variants
http://www.military-today.com/tanks/t72b3.htm

T-72 is still used in many countries
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lol, I knew you couldn't resist bragging on Russian armor

just saw a column of MBTs rolling down the highway, on one the main gun was bouncing around like a balloon, guess you ruskies ain't got that whole stabilizing thang down yet lol......the US 1st and 3d armor divisions could easily blow those pieces of shit right off the map, don't kid yourself

plus those clowns don't own the skies, pretty fuckin lame. the US would NEVER enter a battlefield without owning the skies

fuck the armor anyway.............this is Putin's worst nightmare:



 
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