Kasich would be beating Hillary right now

Legion Troll said:
Back away from the Glenn Beck newsletters. :nono:

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Another chain email news sourcer.
Sookie, sookie, sookie ...
 
Teflon Don said:
The left see Katich as another McShamnesty and Romney. If Kasich had gotten the nomination, it wouldn't have been long before the left started putting up ads how Kasich orchestrated starving kids in the 1990s with the school lunch program blah blah fucking blah blah blah.

The left is so predictable. I always love it when lefties say "So and so is a republican I can support" yet they never support them and if Kasich had gotten the nomination people like Mutt, Thingy and the other lefties on this board would STILL be voting for Crooked Hillary.
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Ahhh ILA....you never cease to amaze me with the new an innovative ways you come up with to insult peoples intelligence. Well done sir, well done.
 
tsuke said:
ok. Lets say we nominate kasich and he wins. So what? We still get more outsourcing, wars, and a standoff with russia. Then you just get to blame a republican when the credit card market collapses at it is set to do.
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Trump is blowing smoke on trade. The "jobs" he claims he'll bring back are mostly gone, victims of automation. We need a leader who is a visionary; someone who understands where the jobs & economy will be 10 and 20 years down the line. Trump, on both domestic & foreign policy, is still in a '50's/Cold War mindset.

Trump is also more likely to get us into standoffs & wars.

Kasich has an actual record in OH. He's a much, much better candidate than Trump. The GOP blew it.
 
Thing1 said:
I'm not even voting for Hillary as things stand now.

I definitely would have voted Kasich. A lot of moderates would He'd be easily ahead in the polls right now.


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The GOP has two flaws that are the primary reason I left the party. They are political positions that greatly hurt this nation and I'll have no part of them. The first is the Southern Strategy which institutionalizes lower class southern conservative bigotry. To Kasich credit he washed his hands of the GOP's Southern Strategy and, let's be honest, it's probably the single biggest reason he didn't perform well in the primaries. The second problem the GOP has is economic policy based on "Supply Side" theory which is primarily responsible for the vast and growing economic inequity in this nation where huge economic growth and expansion has gone primarily to the elite of the capitalist class with very little of that growth going to those who produce wealth. It is also the major cause of the political upheaval we're currently seeing in the GOP. Kasich, is a supply sider and I would like to know more about what his role with Lehman brothers was before I would give him my vote.

Having said that Kasich was the only major candidate who had a realistic chance of beating Hillary. The fact that he did so poorly speaks volumes about the current State of the GOP and why it will, more than likely, lose again in November.
 
Thing1 said:
Trump is blowing smoke on trade. The "jobs" he claims he'll bring back are mostly gone, victims of automation. We need a leader who is a visionary; someone who understands where the jobs & economy will be 10 and 20 years down the line. Trump, on both domestic & foreign policy, is still in a '50's/Cold War mindset.

Trump is also more likely to get us into standoffs & wars.

Kasich has an actual record in OH. He's a much, much better candidate than Trump. The GOP blew it.
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Where I would agree that Kasich would have been a vastly superior candidate to Trump...let's not get carried away on Kasich. He's hardly a visionary. What he is, is a pragmatist and a realist who believes Government serves an important role in all our lives and must be administered competently. It's a sad, sad, sad state of affairs when a man with his record and spirit of noblesse oblige is outside the mainstream of the GOP.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
The GOP has two flaws that are the primary reason I left the party. They are political positions that greatly hurt this nation and I'll have no part of them. The first is the Southern Strategy which institutionalizes lower class southern conservative bigotry. To Kasich credit he washed his hands of the GOP's Southern Strategy and, let's be honest, it's probably the single biggest reason he didn't perform well in the primaries. The second problem the GOP has is economic policy based on "Supply Side" theory which is primarily responsible for the vast and growing economic inequity in this nation where huge economic growth and expansion has gone primarily to the elite of the capitalist class with very little of that growth going to those who produce wealth. It is also the major cause of the political upheaval we're currently seeing in the GOP. Kasich, is a supply sider and I would like to know more about what his role with Lehman brothers was before I would give him my vote.

Having said that Kasich was the only major candidate who had a realistic chance of beating Hillary. The fact that he did so poorly speaks volumes about the current State of the GOP and why it will, more than likely, lose again in November.
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On that last point, it's amazing to me that Kasich never really caught on until the end. He was the GOP's darling in the '90's. It really shows how far the party has fallen, imo. It's mindless to just pick a guy who is an "outsider" even though he's basically without principle, just to pick an outsider. It also hurt a candidate like Kasich to have so many in the GOP field. Had it just been 6-7 candidates, the anti-Trump vote would have really meant something early on.

What I like about Kasich is that he is no longer an idealogue. I don't agree w/ him at all on social issues, but he understands the nature of those nationally, and doesn't have a desire to shove his religious/moral views down everyone's throat (like a Cruz). On the economy, I agree w/ you about supply side - but he's a common sense supply-sider, and would work with Democrats more than most to have a more hybrid economic philosophy in practice.

I was ready for the country to tilt more right this election. I personally don't like it when we see things tilt too left or too right over the course of time, and thought this would be a perfect election for a guy like Kasich. Then, the country lost its mind.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Where I would agree that Kasich would have been a vastly superior candidate to Trump...let's not get carried away on Kasich. He's hardly a visionary. What he is, is a pragmatist and a realist who believes Government serves an important role in all our lives and must be administered competently. It's a sad, sad, sad state of affairs when a man with his record and spirit of noblesse oblige is outside the mainstream of the GOP.
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Oh, I agree on that - I was just saying that what we really need is a visionary, but I don't think Kasich is that. Pragmatist is a great description for him, but that will work better than what we'll see with Trump or Hillary, imo.

I definitely don't want Trump to win, but Hillary concerns me. The debt concerns me greatly, and I don't think she sees it as much of an issue.
 
Milagro said:
I still think you are writing Tru,p off too early, you did that before and were wrong.
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You must be thinking of someone else. I never wrote Trump off in the Primaries. In fact I have on many occasions stated my admiration for the shrewd manner in which he has out maneuvered the GOP establishment and that was long before he won the nomination. I have stated that based on the "State by State" polling that I agree with the Bookies in that he's around a 2:1 underdog to win the General Election for POTUS. I stand by that.

That's not the same as saying he doesn't stand a chance. He has a very real chance of winning. I just don't think it's a great one.
 
Thing1 said:
On that last point, it's amazing to me that Kasich never really caught on until the end. He was the GOP's darling in the '90's. It really shows how far the party has fallen, imo. It's mindless to just pick a guy who is an "outsider" even though he's basically without principle, just to pick an outsider. It also hurt a candidate like Kasich to have so many in the GOP field. Had it just been 6-7 candidates, the anti-Trump vote would have really meant something early on.

What I like about Kasich is that he is no longer an idealogue. I don't agree w/ him at all on social issues, but he understands the nature of those nationally, and doesn't have a desire to shove his religious/moral views down everyone's throat (like a Cruz). On the economy, I agree w/ you about supply side - but he's a common sense supply-sider, and would work with Democrats more than most to have a more hybrid economic philosophy in practice.

I was ready for the country to tilt more right this election. I personally don't like it when we see things tilt too left or too right over the course of time, and thought this would be a perfect election for a guy like Kasich. Then, the country lost its mind.
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Kasich changed significantly after he got handed his ass by Ohio voters on Senate Bill #5. I think it was made real clear to him just whom he serves and he has been a changed man after that set back. For the better I might add. Kasich has a well earned reputation or being an abrasive prick and the fact that during the primaries he was like the only adult in the room was not the same John Kasich you would have seen 10 years ago.
 
Thing1 said:
Oh, I agree on that - I was just saying that what we really need is a visionary, but I don't think Kasich is that. Pragmatist is a great description for him, but that will work better than what we'll see with Trump or Hillary, imo.

I definitely don't want Trump to win, but Hillary concerns me. The debt concerns me greatly, and I don't think she sees it as much of an issue.
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That's because, though it is an issue, when adjusted for inflation, our debt to GDP ratio is not at historical high levels. That is to say, it's manageable. Clinton's hawkishness and obligations to K-Street are what worry me but realistically I see four more years of the status quo with Hillary, which may not be ideal, but it beats the hell out of Trump!
 
Mott the Hoople said:
You must be thinking of someone else. I never wrote Trump off in the Primaries. In fact I have on many occasions stated my admiration for the shrewd manner in which he has out maneuvered the GOP establishment and that was long before he won the nomination. I have stated that based on the "State by State" polling that I agree with the Bookies in that he's around a 2:1 underdog to win the General Election for POTUS. I stand by that.

That's not the same as saying he doesn't stand a chance. He has a very real chance of winning. I just don't think it's a great one.
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Hmm, I distinctly remember saying that you might come to regret your words, didn't keep a link though.
 
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Mott the Hoople said:
Where I would agree that Kasich would have been a vastly superior candidate to Trump...let's not get carried away on Kasich. He's hardly a visionary. What he is, is a pragmatist and a realist who believes Government serves an important role in all our lives and must be administered competently. It's a sad, sad, sad state of affairs when a man with his record and spirit of noblesse oblige is outside the mainstream of the GOP.
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agreed. many of us don't need visionary; just make the trains run on time & on budget. That gets my support
 
Mott the Hoople said:
That's because, though it is an issue, when adjusted for inflation, our debt to GDP ratio is not at historical high levels. That is to say, it's manageable. Clinton's hawkishness and obligations to K-Street are what worry me but realistically I see four more years of the status quo with Hillary, which may not be ideal, but it beats the hell out of Trump!
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It is currently running at over 100% of GDP, a study by the World Bank found that if the debt-to-GDP ratio exceeds 77% for an extended period of time, it will drag down economic growth. Every percentage point of debt above this level will cost the country 1.7% in economic growth. Looking at debt-to-GDP tells us that total US debt is roughly equivalent to its annual economic output. It is by far the largest economy in the world, and has the largest debt pile.
 
Legion Troll said:
That's what they said about Benito, isn't it?
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It is indeed.
At one time the Italian railroad system was notorious for the un-reliability of its daily schedules, prompting the widely repeated story that Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, who ruled from 1922 to 1945, made "the trains ran on time". During the fascist era, railroads and port facilities were improved, and airfields and a modern highway system were built. Because military considerations were paramount, the greater part of this construction was in the strategically important northern part of the country.

Some have argued that this claim is more myth than reality, that Mussolini was disingenuous in taking credit for the changes, since much of the repair work had been performed before Mussolini and the fascists came to power in 1922. It is said that the claim was largely propaganda to counteract critics of the regime. Montagu and Darling wrote: "Mussolini may have done many brutal and tyrannical things; he may have destroyed human freedom in Italy; he may have murdered and tortured citizens whose only crime was to oppose Mussolini; but 'one had to admit' one thing about the Dictator: he 'made the trains run on time.'"
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http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/it-trains-ran-on-time.htm
 
Mott the Hoople said:
That's because, though it is an issue, when adjusted for inflation, our debt to GDP ratio is not at historical high levels. That is to say, it's manageable. Clinton's hawkishness and obligations to K-Street are what worry me but realistically I see four more years of the status quo with Hillary, which may not be ideal, but it beats the hell out of Trump!
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will you acknowledge that its far less manageable than it was eight years ago?.....
 
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