Justice Dept. Stonewalls Judge on Deportation Fights

[Earl]

A billionaire once told me, "I would rather owe a billion than have a million." The idea being that just being around that much cash flow makes you wealthy, and the net worth does not matter.


Uhm... I did not say return... You are having trouble understanding simple wealth management terminology. You want to take out well below your returns, to handle ups and downs, to adjust for inflation, and to cover for taxes.


You are trying to live on 14% of your retirement assets after taxes? Can you see how that would be a disaster?

No, Walter, I see someone who used very poor wealth management and is still working, on Sunday afternoon at 5PM.

You failed to answer whether 3 mil is the beginning of wealth.

I really doubt that you have been around any billionaires.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Cool, so when a Democrat is elected President, we can deport you. It is "foreign policy."

Argument from fallacy. American citizens cannot be deported. Foreign policy involves other nations and the citizens of other nations. Someone in the US on a visa or green card is still a foreign citizen. They have limited rights compared to actual citizens.

 

[Walt]

American citizens cannot be deported.

I am sure you will tell the judge that you are an American citizen.... Except there is no judge.

Once you lose habeas corpus, the right to challenge unlawful detention, you lose all your rights.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I am sure you will tell the judge that you are an American citizen.... Except there is no judge.

Once you lose habeas corpus, the right to challenge unlawful detention, you lose all your rights.

More argument from fallacy.

 

[Nordberg]

They were not afforded court time to prove their cases. They were flown to a country they did not come from. They were treated like terrorists, getting their heads shaved and being abused in groups. When you ship a bunch of people to El Salvador, a place they have never been in, you are not deporting them. You are punishing them brutally.

 

[Walt]

More argument from fallacy.

OK, if a President orders you deported to a foreign prison where you will have no rights, how do you stop it? You say there is no right to habeas corpus in deportation cases. Once you are in the foreign prison, you will have no rights. What legal action will get you out?

Hitler used this same technicality to kill Jewish Germans during the Holocaust. While they were technically German citizens, and could not be deported and killed, habeas corpus had been suspended, so they had no right to fight the deportation.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

OK, if a President orders you deported to a foreign prison where you will have no rights, how do you stop it? You say there is no right to habeas corpus in deportation cases. Once you are in the foreign prison, you will have no rights. What legal action will get you out?

You keep missing the part about non-citizen / foreign national versus citizen. If you can't grasp that difference, then it's useless for me to try and point it out to you.

Hitler used this same technicality to kill Jewish Germans during the Holocaust. While they were technically German citizens, and could not be deported and killed, habeas corpus had been suspended, so they had no right to fight the deportation.

Germany is not the US. Laws in Germany vary significantly from the US. Don't try to apply US laws and legal standards to Germany. You are using a tu quoque fallacy here.

 

[Walt]

You keep missing the part about non-citizen / foreign national versus citizen.

You keep missing the part that once you give up habeas corpus, it does not matter if you are a citizen or not. Once you have been declared a non-citizen, you have no right to fight that declaration.

Germany is not the US. Laws in Germany vary significantly from the US.

Once you give up habeas corpus, there effectively is no law.