PostmodernProphet
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did that keep things from happening that you didn't want to happen?......
Just one average Joe's opinion on why the markets can't cure helathcare
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did that keep things from happening that you didn't want to happen?......
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
and if you look at my entire answer, you will see that I didn't answer....sort of like you didn't respond to what I did post.....
Of course it didn't and that's why the voters punished them after seeing their performance.
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I didn't realize we were talking about monopolies and not healthcare, but I did say earlier that, with the choice of insurance companies, pharmas, and for-profit healthcare providers, I'll take the government any time for the reasons I mentioned earlier. I brought up the named monopolies to point out the abuses of the for-profit private sector when left to their own ways without GOVERNMENT supervision or regulation.
This is the health of a nation, and its survival we are talking about, not beans. Not one person aboard has been able to answer questions I and others have asked about how the manufacturing segment of this country can survive when asked to place the cost of healthcare on their products and still compete with goods from companies in countries where government health is provided. Why do our "patriotic" corporations flee with their jobs, inevitably to countries where healthcare is government provided? For no reason other than cheaper wages? Why is medical debt the number one cause for bankruptcy in the US and why is that just? Why do I pay 80% less for a drug in Canada or Germany than the same drug in the US? (By the way, my last bill was 15% lower than 3 months ago, the US branded price went up 5%.)
When someone from your perspective can logically answer those questions for me, they might be able to convince me where I am wrong about the matter. Until then, give me the government over the private sector in charge of my healthcare.
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Hello-o-o-o out there. It's like the Twilight Zone. Not one out there willing to back up the Conservative anti-healthcare position with answers to my questions?
Please help me achieve GOP nirvana.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
and I was trying to get you to realize that the government is no less abusive when it obtains a monopoly....
financing healthcare through taxes on business is going to bring about a different result?....
????....is that why all our manufacturing jobs went to Denmark instead of Mexico and China?........
because Canada pays part of the cost of drugs using tax money they took from it's citizens.....
1. The current system is already dependent on the business sector, employer based while fewer and fewer companies offer healthcare. You did not answer the question. How can US companies pay for employee healthcare and still have their products compete with coutries with national healthcare? How many small businesses afford to pay for healthcare? Who pays healthcare for the unemployed laid off by recession or depression?
2. China and Mexico have free government healthcare which does not add to the cost of a product. The cost of healthcare is born by the government.
3. Canada does not pay for medicines purchased by US citizens. Canadian pharmacies pay less because our laws and pharmaceutical companies protect the profits earned by pharma and made it illegal for Medicare to negotiate for better prices. I break the law every time I buy from overseas, the GOP fought to make it that way.
4.The justice of bankruptcies due to catastrophic medical costs? No reply.
The simple fact is that your guys have been bought and paid for by the insurance and pharmaceutical companies and you have bought the myths hook, line, and sinker. May I ask who is paying for your insurance?
I am on Medicare, my wife is with BCBS, $380/$2000 deductible paid for by me, there is nothing else available. God forbid you should run into a medical catastrophe, but I guarantee you would change your tune quickly and recognize the lies you now accept as truth.
Sammy Jankis
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The only downside of your plan, belme, is the unavoidable rationing of any monopoly system.
Cost cutting = genocide.
Cost cutting = genocide.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
I believe I answered this previously.....companies should NOT provide employee health care
it is disingenuous to talk of "free" healthcare...if it is not paid for by the consumer, it is paid for by the tax payer....so long as the consumer and the taxpayer are the same people it costs them the same money....
I believe we also covered this before....Canada subsidizes the cost of drugs sold in Canada. If US citizens purchase drugs in Canada then Canadians do in fact pay part of the cost of drugs purchased by US citizens through their taxes.....
you are very observant....
I am, BCBS with a $5k deductible...
1. Our system now, without change, is employer based, Someone has to pay, if not employers, if not public, who? Health costs doubled in 9 years. Who will pay 9 years from now?
It is heartening to note you also think the system is fundamentally flawed in its employer based concept.
2. You hit the nail on the head, so why not here? That takes the burden off of the companies making competition more balanced and covering everyone, not only those working for companies able to pay for their insurance.
3. Canadian provinces cover drugs to insurance holders. The only benefit an American gets is from 2 reasons, the provinces are allowed to negotiate prices, and American pharmaceutical companies charge less in Canada. Imagine the uproar if the Canadian people thought Americans were being subsidized by their government. By the way, I pay my 80% less to a German, not Canadian, pharmacy, still illegal by GOP law, which you did not discuss either.
4. I presume that means you also agee that medical bankruptcy is an injustice. Do any of the GOP hacks in Congress even worry about it? 750,000 just last year.
Re: BCBS I presume that, because of the 5k deductible, that you have already run into the cost factors of the policy. Again, I only hope you don't also run into a health catastrophe to bring you the total experience, the surprises come daily. For a start, read the pharmaceuticals portion carefully.
Oh yes! Under Medicare I can choose my own doctor, in my case the famous Mayo Clinic. With BCBS my wife has to choose from a list. It doesn't quite jibe with what your guys are trying to make us believe, does it?
Fish
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To prove it here's a link:
