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poet said:
Apparently. You didn't say anything when Bush was making the stew in August and September of 2008.
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Apparently you are still a child who thinks blaming Bush after nearly 3 years is still a defense. This is about the current president and his unprecedented spending.
 
poet said:
Apparently. You didn't say anything when Bush was making the stew in August and September of 2008.
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Democrats took over the House and the Senate in 2006. Spending originates in the House. Stick around and you'll get a better education than the one your parents paid for. Too bad they can't get their money back.
 
poet said:
My socialism? Taking us to bankruptcy? Of course, you're confused, as usual. I hear the faint aire of 'tea baggism", in your rhetoric. Bankruptcy? Darling, ever since The New Deal, our national debt has been rising. And no single president has done much to turn the tide. We spend more than we take in...and have since LBJ escalated the Vietnam War. Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, all have allowed the debt to increase while spending remained unabated. It's our way of life and our way of doing business. Now comes the first black President, and all of sudden, things have to be done differently. Why? What is different about Barack Obama that is radically different from previous presidents? I'll answer the obvious....."his race".

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2010...moving-toward-socialism-a-socialist-weighs-in
Now, with the notable exception of Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders, no major figure in American political life identifies as socialist. Certainly no serious contender for national office this November does.
But socialism has become a large part of the discussion, with many conservative activists arguing that the nation may be "on the road toward a more socialist agenda," as Sarah Palin said this summer.

There is no evidence that President Obama or any leading Democrat is an avowed socialist.



http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2009/02/03/back-in-the-ussa-united-socialist-states-of-america/

I don’t know whether to laugh, chuckle or scream whenever I hear some right-wing social democrat (a.k.a Republican) politician talk about how the United States is “sliding towards socialism” as South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint put it in response to Obama’s stimulus package. In fact, if you Google the phrase “sliding towards socialism” you’ll find it being repeated a lot in letters to the editor and online articles. Apparently there are a lot of fearful people out there who believe that America stands just hairsbreadth away from socialism.

Didn’t they hear the word ? We live in a socialist country.

Have been since 1933.

United Socialist States of America.
The good old USSA.


In fact one can say we’ve been sliding towards socialism ever since the Progressive Era of Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson and its been downhill ever since. Neither Warren Harding nor Calvin Coolidge were socialists, but neither did they nor the Republican Congresses of the 1920s ever repeal the Sherman Anti-Trust Act or other Progressive Era legislation. And when Hoover came into power, well… Katie bar the door right there. Ever heard of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation (RFC)? Government gives money to banks and corporations to keep them afloat? How is that not socialistic?

Hoover’s RFC basically legitimized the New Deal, as Bush II’s TARP now legitimizes anything the Obama Administration does to fully nationalize banks or bailout other industries. Whatever was left of the free-market argument made by the GOP went out the window when they decided it was okay for the American taxpayer to own 80 percent of AIG to spend on hunting retreats. For them to pretend otherwise is silly. Hell, according to the Washington Monthly, the social-democratic Right can only find about $18.7 billion within the stimulus package they agree is wasteful spending. That only leaves $884.5 billion of spending they’re AOK with!

What’s going on on the social-democratic Right is mere political posturing, trying to reclaim a brand label for themselves that was fraudulent to begin with so they can try to disguise themselves now that they don’t have to back up a Republican President with their votes anymore. What does that make them? Apparently less honest with themselves than President so-called “Compassionate Conservative” Bush II. At least we knew where Bush II stood. And Ron Paul is right too. The social-democratic Right simply believes in different spending priorities (like the trillion dollar War in Iraq) and wants to fund them with tax cuts which means more borrowing to cover the costs, all thanks to House GOP leader Rep. “Borrow-and-Spend” Boehner.
So the Republicans are not proposing we go back to the America of 1870s because they accept socialist American as much as anyone. It doesn’t matter whether they like it or not. They accept the political reality of the USSA and they live with it. Only on two occasions (1981 and 1995) have they ever challenge the legitimacy of the USSA and both times they retreated with their tails between their legs. Every GOP President since Roosevelt has accepted the New Deal and has expanded upon it, whether it was the Interstate Highway system, the EPA, the SBA, OSHA, Homeland Security. No cabinet departments were ever eliminated under Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan and the Bushes, much less other “social programs.” They accept Social Security, which is socialist. They accept Medicare, which is also socialist. They accept Medicade, which is socialist too. And on top of their well known love of pork barrel projects, earmarks and subsidies for businesses and farms, which are all socialist and in their design and intent, to complain that America is on the way to becoming like France only shows social-democratic Right simply has no grasp of reality, only what they want to lie to themselves about.Don’t believe me? Try this experiment. Write to every Republican Congressperson in Tennessee and Kentucky and ask them whether they support privatizing the socialistic Tennessee Valley Authority. See what kind of responses you get. Needless to say the nascent “Republican Revolution” died because its members in South refused to part with the family jewels bequeathed to them by the New Deal Democrats they replaced in office. Well when that started taking place it became quite obvious that the “Revolution” was a fraud and it was every politician for themselves, all at the public trough. That kept the GOP in power in Congress for another 15 years before they lost it all when people saw through their charade, the one they apparently haven’t abandoned yet.In fact, name me a country in the world where government isn’t involved in the so-called free market in some way, shape or form or tries to control its citizens’ behavior. It simply varies by degree. There are light socialist states like, say, Switzerland or India. There’s moderate socialist states like the Western Europe. Israel was founded by socialists and still operates as a socialist nation and yet all us free marketeers we have no problem supporting it. There are crony capitalist states in Asia, which is a form of socialism known as corporatism. In China, the government is the corporation but they figured out its still socialistic so the Communists can still maintain power with a straight face. There’s the time-warp socialism like that practiced in Cuba. There’s the oil-state socialism of Venezuela or the rest of OPEC. There’s cynical drunken socialism of the old Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. There’s the paranoid socialism of Robert Mugabe, the Burmese junta and Hoxha’s Albania and there’s hermetically sealed socialism of North Korea. Only in Somalia can one live without the heavy hand of government because there is no government.

Where does the U.S. fit on this scale? Oh, somewhere in between the Western Europe (Democrats) and Asia’s crony capitalism (Republicans), always sliding in between the two depending on which party is in power. But it’s socialism nonetheless and no amount talking about ”sliding into socialism” is going to change that. Even a Ron Paul led government would be socialistic, just to lesser degree, a fact the Congressman, perhaps the last honest person in Washington, acknowledges.

Acknowledging the reality of USSA would be a good first step for all those Republicans and wanna-be conservatives. Then perhaps they can make the progression to deal with America as it is and not as they want to think it is like. There’s is no “sliding into socialism.” We’ve slid right into it.

Right back into the USSA.


It's not my socialism that is bankrupting "us". Reality check. - poet
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So sayeth the racist known as Poet.
 
Ice Dancer said:
Apparently you are still a child who thinks blaming Bush after nearly 3 years is still a defense. This is about the current president and his unprecedented spending.
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Apparently you're an idiot, who doesn't get that the mess created by Bush/Cheney was so severe, no president, white or black, could have done anything different than this president has done.
Unprecedented spending? Repeal the damn Bush tax cuts, and increase revenue.
 
Alias said:
Democrats took over the House and the Senate in 2006. Spending originates in the House. Stick around and you'll get a better education than the one your parents paid for. Too bad they can't get their money back.
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And the Republicans took over the House in 2010, and still we have no jobs, and a sagging economy. More ad hominem???? Sad.
 
poet said:
And the Republicans took over the House in 2010, and still we have no jobs, and a sagging economy. More ad hominem???? Sad.
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The Senate Majority has refused to vote on a budget for over 800 days, who owns that majority? The Democrats owned, for two years, the House and the Senate and passed nothing. The House has passed a plan to get us on the path to fiscal sanity, and the White House's answer? Well, he can't guarantee old people their checks will come. Another answer? His "stimulus" failed to stimulate, his answer?.. Almost permanent unemployment checks, and jokes about how "shovel-ready" the "shovel-ready" plan really was.

Barack Obama assured everybody that there would be fiscal changes in the government... There was, horrible overspending that more than Tripled Bush's every year and what do we have to show for it? More unemployment, more people on food stamps than ever before, and only the promise to continue the policy that got us there.
 
poet said:
And the Republicans took over the House in 2010, and still we have no jobs, and a sagging economy. More ad hominem???? Sad.
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W
I thought you put me on ignore? Typical lying lefty.

There are no jobs and a sagging economy because your President and your pals in the House and Senate passed the Health Care Bill which has added trillions to the debt. Your President has created uncertainly in the work place. Your President is a collosal glittering failure. There's a reason you got your ass kicked last Nov 2, and obviously you have not found out what the reason was. Stupid.
 
Alias said:
W
I thought you put me on ignore? Typical lying lefty.

There are no jobs and a sagging economy because your President and your pals in the House and Senate passed the Health Care Bill which has added trillions to the debt. Your President has created uncertainly in the work place. Your President is a collosal glittering failure. There's a reason you got your ass kicked last Nov 2, and obviously you have not found out what the reason was. Stupid.
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You keep responding to my posts. I was curious as to what you were saying. Stop responding, and you won't have to worry.
Universal healthcare for the majority of Americans who need it the most. I understand that righties are devoid of hearts and compassion , and only care about money in their grubby little paws.
I'm sorry, but I care more for people than I do for drug companies and insurance companies and providers, which put profits before people and are equally as heartless as Republican and conservative legislators. And quiet as it is kept, he's the POTUS, which makes him your president, as well. And watch as he sails into re-election, come Nov. 2012.
And after analyzing your post, I realize I made a mistake, in thinking that you were remotely talking about anything of substance. Back to ignore.
 
poet said:
You keep responding to my posts. I was curious as to what you were saying. Stop responding, and you won't have to worry.
Universal healthcare for the majority of Americans who need it the most. I understand that righties are devoid of hearts and compassion , and only care about money in their grubby little paws.
I'm sorry, but I care more for people than I do for drug companies and insurance companies and providers, which put profits before people and are equally as heartless as Republican and conservative legislators. And quiet as it is kept, he's the POTUS, which makes him your president, as well. And watch as he sails into re-election, come Nov. 2012.
And after analyzing your post, I realize I made a mistake, in thinking that you were remotely talking about anything of substance. Back to ignore.
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another post proving poet is a troll.....claims to put people on ignore....yet keeps responding to them....yeah...a "new" poster

:rolleyes:
 
Damocles said:
The Senate Majority has refused to vote on a budget for over 800 days, who owns that majority? The Democrats owned, for two years, the House and the Senate and passed nothing. The House has passed a plan to get us on the path to fiscal sanity, and the White House's answer? Well, he can't guarantee old people their checks will come. Another answer? His "stimulus" failed to stimulate, his answer?.. Almost permanent unemployment checks, and jokes about how "shovel-ready" the "shovel-ready" plan really was.

Barack Obama assured everybody that there would be fiscal changes in the government... There was, horrible overspending that more than Tripled Bush's every year and what do we have to show for it? More unemployment, more people on food stamps than ever before, and only the promise to continue the policy that got us there.
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Electing a president from the Senate has proven to have it's partisan consequences. Obama knows by waiting 'til the last minute he has the chance to make it look like it's republicans that are being unreasonable. He had control of both houses for over 2 years... He has been a disaster for our economic recovery-and an albatross around our economic neck going forward! Vote the imbecile out in 2012!
 
Alias said:
Your socialism is taking us to bankruptcy.
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The wealth of a country is the cumulative wealth of it's citizens. This nonsense that the US is bankrupt and can not pay it's bills is just that, nonsense. Cutting taxes and/or allowing loopholes and/or tax breaks when the government requires money is insanity.

If smaller, poorer countries can finance social policies, and they do, common sense dictates the US can do so, also. The current debate isn't about being able to do so. It's about wanting or not wanting to do so and those not wanting to do so are saying "to hell with the poor and the elderly and the ill and others in need."
 
poet said:
We already live in a socialist society. There is aid provided for the poor and the disenfranchised. Farm subsidies, oil subsidies, corporate welfare, and bailouts. What were you thinking?
No, I was born an American, and I'll have my socialism here, thank you. Since you are so gung ho about relocating, why do you go somewhere where the society meets your expectations? China, perhaps?
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Yes. We already live in a socialist society.

Thanks for bringing that up.

As I've said before, "socialism is the problem".

Hopefully one day you'll be sick of socialism too.

Oh,,,,, China's not a free country. Why would I want to live in China, when socialism is slavery?

Why would China meet my expectations when I want to live in liberty and freedom which is the exact opposite of the Slave owning socialist system?

I mean,,,,, living in socialism is like living on the plantation. The ownership of human beings.
 
Liberty said:
Yes. We already live in a socialist society.

Thanks for bringing that up.

As I've said before, "socialism is the problem".

Hopefully one day you'll be sick of socialism too.

Oh,,,,, China's not a free country. Why would I want to live in China, when socialism is slavery?

Why would China meet my expectations when I want to live in liberty and freedom which is the exact opposite of the Slave owning socialist system?

I mean,,,,, living in socialism is like living on the plantation. The ownership of human beings.
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You're mentally disturbed.
 
Damocles said:
The Senate Majority has refused to vote on a budget for over 800 days, who owns that majority? The Democrats owned, for two years, the House and the Senate and passed nothing. The House has passed a plan to get us on the path to fiscal sanity, and the White House's answer? Well, he can't guarantee old people their checks will come. Another answer? His "stimulus" failed to stimulate, his answer?.. Almost permanent unemployment checks, and jokes about how "shovel-ready" the "shovel-ready" plan really was.

Barack Obama assured everybody that there would be fiscal changes in the government... There was, horrible overspending that more than Tripled Bush's every year and what do we have to show for it? More unemployment, more people on food stamps than ever before, and only the promise to continue the policy that got us there.
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*yawn* . And you seem to think that a Republican could have done, or will do better? LOL.
 
apple0154 said:
The wealth of a country is the cumulative wealth of it's citizens. This nonsense that the US is bankrupt and can not pay it's bills is just that, nonsense. Cutting taxes and/or allowing loopholes and/or tax breaks when the government requires money is insanity.

If smaller, poorer countries can finance social policies, and they do, common sense dictates the US can do so, also. The current debate isn't about being able to do so. It's about wanting or not wanting to do so and those not wanting to do so are saying "to hell with the poor and the elderly and the ill and others in need."
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The USA has always taken care of the poor. The poor in the USA live better than the middle class in most of the world. You want government to do that job that charities used to do. That's inefficient and a waste of taxpayer money.
 
Losers put people on ignore because they don't have what it takes to keep up. It's an admission of failure.
 
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