You go crusader!
Jordanian Christian kills daughter for converting to Islam
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You go crusader!
Bombing thousands of innocent woman and children. You inbred redneck
Darth Omar
Russian asset
That was 2015. Do you have something more recent lol? Maybe they've stopped since then.
evince
Truthmatters
and then the cons wonder why the next generation are giving up religion
Darth Omar
Russian asset
One of us is fixed in their belief and I'm pretty sure it's not me.
Here's some figures from the 2013 Pew Research Center report: 88% of Muslims in Egypt and 62% of Muslims in Pakistan favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion.
http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf
88% and 62% are significant numbers. They contradict the liberal apologetic that radical Muslims represent the slimmest of minorities in the Muslim community.
But the facts suggest otherwise.
Callinectes
Proud MAGA Semi-Facist
And don't get all YOUR information from the old testament.
christiefan915
Catalyst
Once again you ignore anything Christians do even when it's worse when what a Muslim would do. Double standard.
christiefan915
Catalyst
Let me explain the difference between you and me. When I read about Islamic terrorism or violence, I consider that the perps are bad people who have perverted religious teaching to serve their agenda. I don't believe that all 1.6 billion Muslims are evil.
You believe all 1.6 billion Muslims are evil and the percentage who commit violence is indicative of what all would do if given the chance. You then find instances of violence and terror to support your premise. You are trying to define the whole based on a part.
christiefan915
Catalyst
A criticism of the 2013 Pew Research Report.
The “abundant evidence” in question—which popped up in many previous debates on the same topic—comes mainly from one source: a 2013 wide-ranging Pew Research Center survey examining religion-based beliefs and attitudes in 39 countries. Maher mentioned one of its findings, according to which 90 percent of Egyptians believe that “death is the appropriate response to leaving Islam.”
(That number is actually incorrect. The Pew poll rather indicates that among 74 percent of Egyptians who believe Sharia law should be the official law of their country, 86 percent are favorable to punishing apostasy by death—which amounts to a final rate of 64 percent of Egyptians favoring the killing of apostates. Still, 64% prevalence is worrying enough for such a morbid preference.)
Other numbers from the same poll are deeply disturbing: 75 percent of Palestinians favor stoning as punishment for adultery, 58 percent of Jordanians support corporal punishments (including cutting off the hands of thieves) as criminal penalties, and as little as 15 percent of Moroccans believe that sons and daughters should have equivalent inheritance rights (as opposed to the rest who favor the enforcement of the Quranic rule granting females half the inheritance share of males).
Am I saying that Maher and Harris are right in asserting that Muslims in general—or in other words, in their majority—hold savagely violent, intolerant and misogynistic views? That would be the case if I trusted the Pew poll. But I don’t. What I am questioning here is not the methodology of the respected research Institute, but rather the genuineness of the answers provided by many of the 38,000 individuals it surveyed. Just picture the typical polling interview. Imagine you live in a country where Islam is the religion of the State, where criticizing the religion (let alone leaving it) is a criminal offense, where the educational system and the pervasive state media gang up every day to hammer that Islam is the highest moral norm ever—where, hell, even the opposition (mostly made of Islamist groups) does nothing but double down on religious intransigence… And here comes the Pew pollster, a total stranger with a list of disturbing questions pertaining to religion—questions to which the wrong answers can get you in trouble in many ways… Not the best conditions to conduct a credible opinion poll.
Polls, of course, are anonymous, and trained pollsters have their ways to fabricate empathy, including asking the interviewees if they had a good day before engaging them on more serious matters. But as nice as a warming-up chitchat might be, it simply cannot fend off the self-preservation instinct built over a lifetime’s experience of psychological pressure.
Of course, the extent of the pressure (which itself depends on the extent to which religion is used as a political tool for social control) varies from one Muslim country to another. But then, so do the answers. While the Pew numbers indicate a high prevalence of the opinion that Sharia should be the law of the land in countries where Islam is the religion of the State (91 percent in Iraq, 83 percent in Morocco, 74 percent in Egypt…), the rate drops to 12 percent in Turkey, where secularism is a forefront constitutional principle. In other words, the more the questioned citizens are coerced into religiosity, the more likely they are to pick the safest answers—those consistent with what they were force-fed about religion since they were kids—when a pollster comes around.
The tricky part is that Western liberals such as Maher and Harris are the first ones to denounce the lack of freedom of thought and opinion in Muslim countries. However, they see no contradiction in trusting opinion polls as solid evidence of what Muslims think. Actually, let’s get to the bottom of this. If the religious opinions of Muslims are questionable, then so is their adherence to religion in the first place. I’m not saying that no citizen from Morocco to Indonesia genuinely adheres to Islam. I’m just stating the obvious: no one knows how many really do—and no one will ever know until people are free to form and state their religious opinions freely. This has an important implication: all of the mainstream Western debate about what 1.6 billion Muslims think is built on the false premise that… there are 1.6 billion Muslims in the first place.
(Continued)
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/13/bil...r_argument_is_based_on_an_untrustworthy_poll/
The “abundant evidence” in question—which popped up in many previous debates on the same topic—comes mainly from one source: a 2013 wide-ranging Pew Research Center survey examining religion-based beliefs and attitudes in 39 countries. Maher mentioned one of its findings, according to which 90 percent of Egyptians believe that “death is the appropriate response to leaving Islam.”
(That number is actually incorrect. The Pew poll rather indicates that among 74 percent of Egyptians who believe Sharia law should be the official law of their country, 86 percent are favorable to punishing apostasy by death—which amounts to a final rate of 64 percent of Egyptians favoring the killing of apostates. Still, 64% prevalence is worrying enough for such a morbid preference.)
Other numbers from the same poll are deeply disturbing: 75 percent of Palestinians favor stoning as punishment for adultery, 58 percent of Jordanians support corporal punishments (including cutting off the hands of thieves) as criminal penalties, and as little as 15 percent of Moroccans believe that sons and daughters should have equivalent inheritance rights (as opposed to the rest who favor the enforcement of the Quranic rule granting females half the inheritance share of males).
Am I saying that Maher and Harris are right in asserting that Muslims in general—or in other words, in their majority—hold savagely violent, intolerant and misogynistic views? That would be the case if I trusted the Pew poll. But I don’t. What I am questioning here is not the methodology of the respected research Institute, but rather the genuineness of the answers provided by many of the 38,000 individuals it surveyed. Just picture the typical polling interview. Imagine you live in a country where Islam is the religion of the State, where criticizing the religion (let alone leaving it) is a criminal offense, where the educational system and the pervasive state media gang up every day to hammer that Islam is the highest moral norm ever—where, hell, even the opposition (mostly made of Islamist groups) does nothing but double down on religious intransigence… And here comes the Pew pollster, a total stranger with a list of disturbing questions pertaining to religion—questions to which the wrong answers can get you in trouble in many ways… Not the best conditions to conduct a credible opinion poll.
Polls, of course, are anonymous, and trained pollsters have their ways to fabricate empathy, including asking the interviewees if they had a good day before engaging them on more serious matters. But as nice as a warming-up chitchat might be, it simply cannot fend off the self-preservation instinct built over a lifetime’s experience of psychological pressure.
Of course, the extent of the pressure (which itself depends on the extent to which religion is used as a political tool for social control) varies from one Muslim country to another. But then, so do the answers. While the Pew numbers indicate a high prevalence of the opinion that Sharia should be the law of the land in countries where Islam is the religion of the State (91 percent in Iraq, 83 percent in Morocco, 74 percent in Egypt…), the rate drops to 12 percent in Turkey, where secularism is a forefront constitutional principle. In other words, the more the questioned citizens are coerced into religiosity, the more likely they are to pick the safest answers—those consistent with what they were force-fed about religion since they were kids—when a pollster comes around.
The tricky part is that Western liberals such as Maher and Harris are the first ones to denounce the lack of freedom of thought and opinion in Muslim countries. However, they see no contradiction in trusting opinion polls as solid evidence of what Muslims think. Actually, let’s get to the bottom of this. If the religious opinions of Muslims are questionable, then so is their adherence to religion in the first place. I’m not saying that no citizen from Morocco to Indonesia genuinely adheres to Islam. I’m just stating the obvious: no one knows how many really do—and no one will ever know until people are free to form and state their religious opinions freely. This has an important implication: all of the mainstream Western debate about what 1.6 billion Muslims think is built on the false premise that… there are 1.6 billion Muslims in the first place.
(Continued)
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/13/bil...r_argument_is_based_on_an_untrustworthy_poll/
More lies. See my first post in this thread liarfan.
You on the other hand give Legion a pass for the same things you're whining that people say about Muslims and Islam.
christiefan915
Catalyst
Speak for yourself. Islam isn't my enemy.
christiefan915
Catalyst
You mean that tepid two-word comment followed by the criticism of me?
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
632 ≠ 1095
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
You waiting for an attack on Pittsburgh?
Legion Troll
A fine upstanding poster
Don't you have some flights to vector?
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
it should be
So you say,