John Kasich

Jarod said:
There is an argument that he would do a better job than Clinton.

He has more integrity, and I cant say the same about Trump or Cruz.
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I think Clinton would be more of the same, and - while I don't think Obama has done badly - I also don't think we can afford more of the same.

We need to shift right. Honestly, the debt is the biggest issue right now. It could undermine everything else.
 
The Pauper said:
Ironically, Trump is claiming he will win with Reagan Democrats. Fuck Trumptards, they are so fucking stupid...
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I had the same experience with the Shrub. Only in the Shrubs case it was that he didn't have the life and career experience to prepare him properly and he was in over his head. I was proven right. I see Trump giving one sales pitch after the other and I'm just baffled at the vast number of supporters who just don't get that he's telling them what they want to hear and has no intentions of keeping his word or, in a lot of cases, simply wont' be able to do what he's promising. It really does make you question the critical thinking skills of Trump supporters.
 
Thing1 said:
Oh, I'd agree that he's flawed, and his OH record is overplayed. But it's still a decent record, and I thought he did a good job in Congress in the '90's also.

Kasich is a smart guy. He's a conservative, but he's not an idealogue; he has a history of working with the other side and finding effective compromise. To me, he's the best candidate on either side right now, by a mile.

GOP delegates should really heed those polls. Unless something unexpected happens w/ Hillary (and I don't necessarily discount that), she'll beat either Trump or Cruz handily.
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So would Bernie. What I don't get is that Bernie polls better general election voters over Kasich than Clinton does.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
So would Bernie. What I don't get is that Bernie polls better general election voters over Kasich than Clinton does.
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I get it. Clinton has been vetted by the public - her negatives are probably as high as they'll go, because she's been in public life so long now and everything about her record has been hashed over repeatedly.

Bernie, despite his age, is brand new to the public at large. His negatives have nowhere to go but up. If he runs against Trump, he'll have a tough time. Trump will hammer him & his record every day.
 
Thing1 said:
I think Clinton would be more of the same, and - while I don't think Obama has done badly - I also don't think we can afford more of the same.

We need to shift right. Honestly, the debt is the biggest issue right now. It could undermine everything else.
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As long as working class whites refuse to form a political coalition with working class minorities to protect their economic interest we will remain an oligarchy and you will see no significant change. Divide and conquer. Working class whites see their equal footing with racial minorities as the destruction of our nations social fabric and are more than willing to sacrifice their economic interest to protect their perceived social status. It may be an argument from ignorance on their part but that's the current reality.

Economic stratification will have to become significantly worse than what it currently is before you'll see real change. The good/bad news it that we appear to be heading in that direction.
 
Thing1 said:
I get it. Clinton has been vetted by the public - her negatives are probably as high as they'll go, because she's been in public life so long now and everything about her record has been hashed over repeatedly.

Bernie, despite his age, is brand new to the public at large. His negatives have nowhere to go but up. If he runs against Trump, he'll have a tough time. Trump will hammer him & his record every day.
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and vice versa. Bernie would have more tools at his disposal. If Bernie were to win, which I doubt, he'd have no problem capturing Hillary supporters and the vast numbers of people that Trump has alienated. The cracks are already beginning to show in Trumps weakness as a politician. I'm reasonably sure they would grow much larger in the general...even against Bernie. Now Cruz is understandable why Bernie would trounce him. Outside of The deep south and rural regions Cruz is just simply disliked.
 
Thing1 said:
I get it. Clinton has been vetted by the public - her negatives are probably as high as they'll go, because she's been in public life so long now and everything about her record has been hashed over repeatedly.

Bernie, despite his age, is brand new to the public at large. His negatives have nowhere to go but up. If he runs against Trump, he'll have a tough time. Trump will hammer him & his record every day.
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Bernie is only 6 years older than HRC.
 
anatta said:
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amazing the prognosticators around here that know other peoples politics better then they do///
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Yes I do. I have seen this playbook before. You lefties said the same things about McCain and Romney during their primaries. Any of you vote for them? Fuck no
 
Anyone that believes that Thingy, GayRod and the sheep fucker would actually vote for Kasich if given the nomination deserves to be frog marched over a cliff
 
Teflon Don said:
Anyone that believes that Thingy, GayRod and the sheep fucker would actually vote for Kasich if given the nomination deserves to be frog marched over a cliff
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Oh, pipe down. Kasich has been my candidate since the start of the primary season. He's not just some "beat Trump" guy with me. He's the best candidate in either field.

I would 100% vote for him if he was the nominee.
 
Leonthecat said:
I have a better chance at winning the GOP nom than Kasich.
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Not really accurate. I'd agree that his chances are slim, but if it gets past the 1st ballot at the convention, he'd have a much stronger case on electability than the other 2. He has also been rising in the polls, so it's not out of the realm that he'll rack up more 2nd place finishes than Cruz the rest of the way.
 
Thing1 said:
Oh, pipe down. Kasich has been my candidate since the start of the primary season. He's not just some "beat Trump" guy with me. He's the best candidate in either field.

I would 100% vote for him if he was the nominee.
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Easy to say knowing that he has ZERO chance of winning the nomination
 
Teflon Don said:
Easy to say knowing that he has ZERO chance of winning the nomination
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See my post above. It ain't zero. And it's what I said when Kasich entered the race, and I thought he would be the nominee. I had no idea at that point just how gullible & ignorant a lot of GOP primary voters are.
 
It's possible that some people say they'll vote for Trump because it will "piss people off"...people they dislike.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I'd consider voting for him too. It just goes to show you how far to the extreme right the GOP has gone when Kasich is viewed as a RINO. Hell Reagan would be RINO too and if I remember correctly...lots of Democrats liked Reagan too.

Having said that Kasich's record in Ohio is over rated. He screwed the pooch big time by signing the Anti-Union Bill, Senate Bill #5, into law and then having the voters overwhelmingly over turn it. His economic record is really nothing spectacular. Most of the growth in Ohio has been in the three large metro areas and is due mainly to diversification of the economy and the fracking boom in east Ohio. Kasich has little to do with either. In fact during his term Ohio's economic growth since the Bush recession is 25th in the nation. In other words average. His electoral record in Ohio is also over stated. He barely defeated Gov. Strickland who had the great misfortune to be in office when the Bush recession started. Then in his re-election bid he had the great good fortune to have one of the weakest Gubanatorial candidate to ever run for the office in Ohio. Within weaks of winning the Democratic nomination the duffus imploded his campaign with a stupid sex scandal. In that light Kasich's landslide victory wasn't that impressive.

On the good side Kasich is a governing Republican. He's learned from mistakes like Senate Bill 5 and backed off he also has compromised on legislation demonstrating that he is interested in sound governance, which certainly puts him at odds with the party base. One thing that does worry me about him is his involvement with the investment banks that caused the Bush recession.

In other words he's a flawed candidate. Having said that he's no where nearly as flawed as Trump or Cruz and polls well with general election voters against Clinton but not so well against Sanders but here's the real knock on Kasich. If he can't build a coalition to even really compete in the primaries and caucuses, one has to be skeptical that he could do so at a brokered convention.
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I think Kasich is the best of the three also. Now a few weeks ago this letter was printed in our paper re: Kasich's record. Can you clarify if the writer is being honest about it?

"I read the letter from Debbie Schmalstieg Pratt (“Switched for Kasich,” March 24) that she is switching parties from Democratic to Republican so that she can vote for John Kasich. She is attracted to him because he is a moderate and seems honest and sincere. John Kasich and I grew up on the same street in McKees Rocks, although he is several years younger than I. Our families attended the same church.

Although it is nice to see someone from McKees Rocks pursuing the presidency, Ms. Pratt needs to know that Mr. Kasich only seems moderate compared with the two crackpots he is running against. Here are some of the highlights of his record in Ohio: cut funding to Planned Parenthood and signed legislation that led to half of the women’s health clinics closing; attacked collective bargaining — attacks that Ohio voters rejected in 2011; cut funding to public schools; denies the extent to which human activity causes climate change; committed to repealing the Affordable Care Act, although he accepted expanded Medicaid funding to cover low-income Ohio residents; enabled the secretary of state in Ohio to pursue some of the most severe voter suppression actions in the country; worked for Lehman Brothers, the now-defunct investment bank, which was in the middle of causing the economic meltdown in 2008; cut taxes but balanced the budget on the backs of the poor.

Perhaps Ms. Pratt needs to look more at the record than the optics of someone who is now trying to pass himself off as a moderate. The real John Kasich is the guy who, at his winner’s rally after the Ohio primary, diminished his own father’s political affiliation as a Democrat. He looked at the audience and said, “Yea, he really was a Democrat” and topped it off with the old Republican line that Democrats are socialists."

http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion...derstand-Kasich-s-record/stories/201603300070
 
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