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Superfreak said:
Me either...



as always... the money comes from somewhere... if not from price increases, then where?
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Why does it have to come from somewhere other than the company? Employees get raises. Both merit and cost of living. We have a young woman whose salary has gone up by 150 a week in less than two years. She's that good and we recognized it right away, she was given a 50 dollar increase after her first 3 months. I didn't raise my prices to give her the raises.

Also, your idea that grocery stores are using automated checkouts because of minimum wage increases is nonsense to me. I read this week that the minimum wage when adjusted is now lower than in 1973. We haven't had a federal increase since 2009 I think, and that was a small increase. Yet the automation keeps coming. IMO it's not because companies can't afford the wages, it's because our culture has changed and to the detriment of the worker. I'm not an economist but the things you say don't make any common sense to me whatsoever. I think they're bullshit. If you want to know the truth. I think you talk a lot of bullshit, and others are fooled.
 
Darla said:
Why does it have to come from somewhere other than the company? Employees get raises. Both merit and cost of living. We have a young woman whose salary has gone up by 150 a week in less than two years. She's that good and we recognized it right away, she was given a 50 dollar increase after her first 3 months. I didn't raise my prices to give her the raises.

Also, your idea that grocery stores are using automated checkouts because of minimum wage increases is nonsense to me. I read this week that the minimum wage when adjusted is now lower than in 1973. We haven't had a federal increase since 2009 I think, and that was a small increase. Yet the automation keeps coming. IMO it's not because companies can't afford the wages, it's because our culture has changed and to the detriment of the worker. I'm not an economist but the things you say don't make any common sense to me whatsoever. I think they're bullshit. If you want to know the truth. I think you talk a lot of bullshit, and others are fooled.
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Look all the way back at minimum wage. It is actually right in line with inflation.

I said it has to come from somewhere... the company is one of the options. Which means the employer has to be able to afford the higher wages. Your business uses minimum wage workers? Wow... $150/wk? So $3.75 per hour... nice... did she add value to the company? Did she start at minimum wage?

Also... $7800/ year... you are not talking about much of a price increase on your products to cover that.
 
The Dude said:
288,000 is a great number
Here's a clue trailer trash conservatives.
10,000 boomers retire daily, the participation rate is going to keep going down.
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Dear ignorant moron; the population has GROWN by 12.3 million since 2009.

April 2014 = 317.8 million

January 2009 = 305.5 million

Labor Participation rate in January 2009 = 65.7

Labor Participation rate in April 2014 = 62.8

For Liberal dunces, that means the workforce has SHRUNK by 2.9 percent. How big is the US workforce? In April 2009, the specific number was 154,731,000 in the civilian workforce equaling approximately 101,658,267 workers. Today that number is 156,227,000 equaling 98,110,556 which mean that since Obummer has been in charge, the labor force has shrunk by 3,547,711 as the population increased by 12.3 million.

Statistics show that between 92-120,000 people between the ages of 55-65 years old retire each year. That means that since Obummer has been in charge approximately 600K has retired. For Liberal dunces who are math challenged, that does not equal the millions that have dropped out of the workforce due to their INABILITY to find any work and the additional MILLIONS of young people who tried to enter the workforce and COULD NOT FIND EMPLOYMENT.

So please, spare me your uneducated ignorant canards about the baby boomers being the reason the labor participation rates are lower than any time in our history.

You Liberals really are too gullible and stupid for prime time.
 
Darla said:
Why does it have to come from somewhere other than the company? Employees get raises. Both merit and cost of living. We have a young woman whose salary has gone up by 150 a week in less than two years. She's that good and we recognized it right away, she was given a 50 dollar increase after her first 3 months. I didn't raise my prices to give her the raises.

Also, your idea that grocery stores are using automated checkouts because of minimum wage increases is nonsense to me. I read this week that the minimum wage when adjusted is now lower than in 1973. We haven't had a federal increase since 2009 I think, and that was a small increase. Yet the automation keeps coming. IMO it's not because companies can't afford the wages, it's because our culture has changed and to the detriment of the worker. I'm not an economist but the things you say don't make any common sense to me whatsoever. I think they're bullshit. If you want to know the truth. I think you talk a lot of bullshit, and others are fooled.
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The key words are bolded; what you are is a gullible shill for leftist policies that have nothing to do with real economic data and how jobs actually get created and wealth is accumulated.

Arbitrary Government increases in the minimum wage will do NOTHING to increase employment; it will decrease it among those with the least experience trying to enter the workforce as the data suggests, and will do NOTHING to better then living standards of those who earn the minimum wage because prices will merely increase correspondingly.

We have been arbitrarily increasing minimum wages for decades, and still, Liberals rant ignorant about low wages. We have spent $22 trillion on the war on poverty for decades, only to have MORE poverty.

Now anyone with even half a brain would have to look at the REAL data and think; gee, these policies don't seem to be working or having any effect on wages, standards of living or poverty. But not brain dead Liberals who lead by emotional eruptions; they want to double down on their failed policies in the retarded belief that if we just keep doing what we have always done, somehow we will achieve different outcomes.

You Liberals really are THAT incredibly stupid.
 
Superfreak said:
Here's is a clue to GED in reality/MBA pretenders on message boards...

the echo boomer population is LARGER than the baby boomers. They are the ones that are supposed to be entering the work force.
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You still work for a reason dumbass
Way more go to college thus entering later
 
Superfreak said:
Look all the way back at minimum wage. It is actually right in line with inflation.

I said it has to come from somewhere... the company is one of the options. Which means the employer has to be able to afford the higher wages. Your business uses minimum wage workers? Wow... $150/wk? So $3.75 per hour... nice... did she add value to the company? Did she start at minimum wage?

Also... $7800/ year... you are not talking about much of a price increase on your products to cover that.
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What Liberals refuse to understand because it is just too obvious, is that if the costs of doing business increases, then there are only three outcomes. (1) You increase prices; (2) you decrease costs; or (3) your shareholders/owners/stakeholders take a cut in their income.

What will occur, and what has ALWAYS occurred, is that inflation will consume any temporary gains arbitrary Government decisions cause thus negating the desired outcome of the arbitrary increase in wages. Meanwhile, corporations will continue to find ways to generate increased revenues as demanded by stakeholders by automating and reducing their greatest costs which is LABOR.

The best way to improve your income in a labor market is to acquire job skills that are in demand or getting an education to improve your chances of promotion.

But alas, that is just too OBVIOUS for Liberal propagandists who really could care less about low wage earners and merely dupe them into voting for duplicitous politicians pretending to care by promising them something for nothing.
 
Superfreak said:
Look all the way back at minimum wage. It is actually right in line with inflation.

I said it has to come from somewhere... the company is one of the options. Which means the employer has to be able to afford the higher wages. Your business uses minimum wage workers? Wow... $150/wk? So $3.75 per hour... nice... did she add value to the company? Did she start at minimum wage?

Also... $7800/ year... you are not talking about much of a price increase on your products to cover that.
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No I've never started anyone for less than 10 an hour a couple of dollars above minimum wage, and even that's unusual. She started at 500 a week, and is at 650 a week now. I would imagine your definition of value and mine differ. She is not someone who brings in money in that she is not in sales. But she's certainly made my office run smoother and better. That's value.
 
Superfreak said:
I think adjusting the cap (or creating a donut hole) is indeed needed. I also agree it would be easy and help alleviate the current problems. But adding 4 years of full retirement to everyone's SS is not as easy. That is a massive amount of money that we would have to come up with NOW that otherwise would not have been paid. Would we also remove the automatic adjustment to FRA bene's for those that wait additional years?

Given that many people are now living 20/30 years in retirement as it is, adding another 4 is not wise.
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It can also be a moot point. There's no way in hell I'll be ready for retirement at 62, even with full SS benefits, and even if I was, I doubt that I would.
 
Darla said:
No I've never started anyone for less than 10 an hour a couple of dollars above minimum wage, and even that's unusual. She started at 500 a week, and is at 650 a week now. I would imagine your definition of value and mine differ. She is not someone who brings in money in that she is not in sales. But she's certainly made my office run smoother and better. That's value.
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So she is at a minimum a semi skilled worker who adds value. Do you think someone asking if you would like fries with that is adding value to the business?

Also... $500/ week? $26k per year? Now $34k? In New York? yeah, that might get her a 300 square foot apartment. Hope she doesn't have kids.
 
Bonestorm said:
I was referring to the 288,000 increase in jobs.

And, yet, the U-4 dropped.

Maybe not, but it'll help them when they find one.
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You are never going to get a partisan shill like SF to admit to something positive like how the unemployment number coming down is a good thing.
 
Superfreak said:
So she is at a minimum a semi skilled worker who adds value. Do you think someone asking if you would like fries with that is adding value to the business?

Also... $500/ week? $26k per year? Now $34k? In New York? yeah, that might get her a 300 square foot apartment. Hope she doesn't have kids.
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She is a student who still lives with her parents Superfreak. And she makes 650 a now. I imagine when she graduates she'll eventually make more than you, she's quite smart and a great worker.

I think that order takers at fast food restaurants do more than ask if you want fries with that, and i think that order takers add value to that kind of business, yes.
 
Darla said:
No I've never started anyone for less than 10 an hour a couple of dollars above minimum wage, and even that's unusual. She started at 500 a week, and is at 650 a week now. I would imagine your definition of value and mine differ. She is not someone who brings in money in that she is not in sales. But she's certainly made my office run smoother and better. That's value.
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That isn't a lot of money for NY is it? $33,000 a year? I mean, how the hell is she supposed to afford her birth control and abortions? Why don't you pay her $50/hour?
 
Darla said:
She is a student who still lives with her parents Superfreak. And she makes 650 a now. I imagine when she graduates she'll eventually make more than you, she's quite smart and a great worker.
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The point Darla is that she is NOT an unskilled worker... so your anecdotal evidence is irrelevant to the discussion.

I think that order takers at fast food restaurants do more than ask if you want fries with that, and i think that order takers add value to that kind of business, yes.
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No... they do not, as evidenced by the fact that a machine can replace what they do. They do not add value to the company. The only question is... which is cheaper for the employer... a person or a machine?
 
Darla said:
She is a student who still lives with her parents Superfreak. And she makes 650 a now. I imagine when she graduates she'll eventually make more than you, she's quite smart and a great worker.

I think that order takers at fast food restaurants do more than ask if you want fries with that, and i think that order takers add value to that kind of business, yes.
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Why does it matter that she lives with her parents? That seems pretty bigoted to me. You should pay her more. Why not $50/hour?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
You are never going to get a partisan shill like SF to admit to something positive like how the unemployment number coming down is a good thing.
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Or that 800k dropping out of the work force is a bad thing. And interestingly enough those two things are related.
What we have is fewer people working (and paying taxes) and more people living off the government teat (off tax dollars). BO may have increased taxes to ease the curve but this is a bandaid and comes at a cost (.1% growth).
Whistling past the graveyard may sound nice but is just an illusion.
 
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